Thread: "Workable 3^5 Posted"

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Hey Guys,

Charlie and I have a fully functioning MC5D puzzle for you now. The
twisting is worked out as I had described and you can now save to a log
file. You can also save all your projection settings, and keep a set of
them if you want to easily switch between different views. There is macro
support, and a number of other new little features and cleanups that make
working with it nicer and more tractable. I've listed some specifics on th=
e
website (www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d).

I think development will probably slow at this point, but we'll definitely
keep improving it in the background. We still have a few things from the
previous to do list (incorporating Melinda's rotation code and stereo
viewing are two that come to mind), and we'd appreciate feedback if you see
anything that could be done better or would like to see something new.

I've started doing a solution myself this week and should be able to
complete it relatively soon. I'll post it and any solutions you guys do on
the site. Getting used to it is a lot like getting used to MC4D for the
first time, and there are some new interesting scenarios to deal with
because of the extra 5th dimension. Overall, I'd say the puzzle is more
tedious though, mostly because of the number of cubies, but also because th=
e
twisting input is more complex. I've also had my brain play necker-cube
like tricks on me more than once. It doesn't happen too much, but stereo
would probably help avoid this. Some things I am personally finding
indispensable are:

(1) Macros
(2) Dimming pieces. This is currently allowed by piece type, but maybe need=
s
to be allowed by slices in case someone wanted to solve using a
layer-by-layer approach.
(3) Having both buttons and sticker-clicking available for twisting. The
click twisting is nice because it is more intuitive than thinking about axe=
s
labels. Using the buttons is nice because I can twist invisible faces
without having to first make them visible.

I was going to try to post a little blurb soon about the number and types o=
f
pieces in MC5D. I haven't calculated the number of possible permutations
yet. Anyone want to take a stab? I'd happily post something like what Eri=
c
did for MC4D on the site.

Good luck to any of you who are going to attempt a solution! I was thinkin=
g
of calling the MC5D solvers list the "Hall of Insanity" :) What do you
think?

Roice

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Roice

Roice does it again: Another tour de force! And thanks to Charlie who
I'm sure made it possible. I'm relishing this period--probably
short--between the implementation of this much-discussed monster and its
first solution. It's really nice of Roice to publish it before he
performs his first solution in order to give others a chance to pluck
this lovely record. I hope some people are already attempting it. My big
question is not how long it will take for a first solution but how hard
it is and whether we'll ever see a 2nd one!

I love your idea for the Hall of Insanity. I mean how does one even
begin to explain what it means to have your name listed there? I'm sure
that "insanity" will be a word that will come easily into the horrified
mind of any loved one listening to such an explanation. As much as I
want to add the list to the 4D hall-of-fame I sadly recognize that
that's not where it belongs. I will however add prominent references to
it from the HOF. I do hope that nobody will want to move 5D discussion
topics to a separate Yahoo group. The 4D group may not have the perfect
name to include both but its stated purpose is certainly for all things
related to the 4D cube, and that certainly includes the 5D version.

Great job Roice. This is wonderful.
-Melinda

Roice Nelson wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Charlie and I have a fully functioning MC5D puzzle for you now. The
> twisting is worked out as I had described and you can now save to a
> log file. You can also save all your projection settings, and keep a
> set of them if you want to easily switch between different views.
> There is macro support, and a number of other new little features and
> cleanups that make working with it nicer and more tractable. I've
> listed some specifics on the website (
> www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d
> ).
>
> I think development will probably slow at this point, but we'll
> definitely keep improving it in the background. We still have a few
> things from the previous to do list (incorporating Melinda's rotation
> code and stereo viewing are two that come to mind), and we'd
> appreciate feedback if you see anything that could be done better or
> would like to see something new.
>
> I've started doing a solution myself this week and should be able to
> complete it relatively soon. I'll post it and any solutions you guys
> do on the site. Getting used to it is a lot like getting used to MC4D
> for the first time, and there are some new interesting scenarios to
> deal with because of the extra 5th dimension. Overall, I'd say the
> puzzle is more tedious though, mostly because of the number of cubies,
> but also because the twisting input is more complex. I've also had my
> brain play necker-cube like tricks on me more than once. It doesn't
> happen too much, but stereo would probably help avoid this. Some
> things I am personally finding indispensable are:
>
> (1) Macros
> (2) Dimming pieces. This is currently allowed by piece type, but maybe
> needs to be allowed by slices in case someone wanted to solve using a
> layer-by-layer approach.
> (3) Having both buttons and sticker-clicking available for twisting.
> The click twisting is nice because it is more intuitive than thinking
> about axes labels. Using the buttons is nice because I can twist
> invisible faces without having to first make them visible.
>
> I was going to try to post a little blurb soon about the number and
> types of pieces in MC5D. I haven't calculated the number of possible
> permutations yet. Anyone want to take a stab? I'd happily post
> something like what Eric did for MC4D on the site.
>
> Good luck to any of you who are going to attempt a solution! I was
> thinking of calling the MC5D solvers list the "Hall of Insanity" :)
> What do you think?
>
> Roice
>

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Hello!


ROICE !!! You are unbeliveble!!! BIG RESPECT for you and Charlie! You did v=
ery good job! It will be great pleasure to fun with that stuff!


Yesterday I really wanted to write that it is impossible me to solve cube t=
hat you suggested (I couldn't get use to your vision). I've opened Outlook =
and... there was information from you! (funny coincedence:)

Message that You will soon S-O-L-V-E this shook me! I didn't see the pieces=
, stickers, faces and moves enough to do anything...


Today during talk with Kirfo I tested some sets of parameters... and when I=
get set which I attached to this message everything became so clear...

All... moves, twists, etc. the whole concept...


--------------------


It's working great! (unfortunately I don't have time during this week to st=
art real solve)

(I can give you some printscreens which I made some time ago during testing=
program. It's nothing, just funny views of solved 5D cube;)

http://www.genezis.station76.pl/5D

(click in the middle to get to the folder where I put my best "view" (http:=
//www.genezis.station76.pl/5D/5D/my-view.PNG))


Suggestions:

- (Ctr+Z) doesn't work on my computer (laptop, Acer Aspire 3000), Michal W=
izner doesn't have this problem on his PC (Please give REDO also, it helps =
a lot)

- Hypersticers in view which I prefer - look in attached file (Michal liked=
this very much too) could be less stretched..but nevermind -> "view" I've=
got works fine with me ;-)

- You should give this parameters http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d=
/1.png as second deafault=20=20

- put file with description of keys (txt in program folder) (It will help =
people... hmmm... hhihihihihi... (what people?;))




Really best wishes in solving 3x3x3x3x3...=20

Remigiusz Durka


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>

Hi Folks,

I decided to go ahead and join the list so that Roice doesn't have to
keep forwarding me the 5-d cube messages. This seems like a great
bunch of people, and I'm happy to be playing my small part in the
development of the 5-d cube. So far, my contributions have been
mostly in the area of the GUI and a few performance enhancements; I
hope to get to do more work on the real cube stuff in the future, time
permitting.

Roice forwarded me this message from Remigiusz, and I wanted to
provide a bit of extra info about the saved settings feature. For
those who had not yet found this, if you don't like the default "--
Default --" settings, you can save any other configuration with this
same name, and your new settings will become the new defaults. So
when you click Save As..., just type "-- Default -- ", and you will
get a new .settings file with your new default settings, which will be
used whenever you start the program. If you later decide to revert to
the original defaults, just delete this file and restart the program.

It sounds like there are a few other UI glitches/requests that we will
hoepfully be able to address in the next iteration (whenever that is),
so thanks for the feedback. Regarding the non-functionality of
Ctrl+Z, I have a wild guess that it might relate to keyboard layouts.
Are you using a standard english keyboard with normal input settings,
or something set up for a different language? Do you know whether you
have the same settings as Michal?

Thanks, and glad to meet you all,

Charlie Nevill

> From: thesamer@interia.pl < thesamer@interia.pl>
> Date: May 13, 2006 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MC4D] Workable 3^5 Posted
> To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
> ROICE !!! You are unbeliveble!!! BIG RESPECT for you and Charlie! You did=
very good job! It will be great pleasure to fun with that stuff!
>
>
> Yesterday I really wanted to write that it is impossible me to solve cube=
that you suggested (I couldn't get use to your vision). I've opened Outloo=
k and... there was information from you! (funny coincedence:)
>
> Message that You will soon S-O-L-V-E this shook me! I didn't see the piec=
es, stickers, faces and moves enough to do anything...
>
>
> Today during talk with Kirfo I tested some sets of parameters... and when=
I get set which I attached to this message everything became so clear...
>
> All... moves, twists, etc. the whole concept...
>
>
> --------------------
>
>
> It's working great! (unfortunately I don't have time during this week to =
start real solve)
>
> (I can give you some printscreens which I made some time ago during testi=
ng program. It's nothing, just funny views of solved 5D cube;)
>
> http://www.genezis.station76.pl/5D
>
> (click in the middle to get to the folder where I put my best "view" ( ht=
tp://www.genezis.station76.pl/5D/5D/my-view.PNG))
>
>
> Suggestions:
>
> - (Ctr+Z) doesn't work on my computer (laptop, Acer Aspire 3000), Michal=
Wizner doesn't have this problem on his PC (Please give REDO also, it help=
s a lot)
>
> - Hypersticers in view which I prefer - look in attached file (Michal lik=
ed this very much too) could be less stretched..but nevermind -> "view" I'=
ve got works fine with me ;-)
>
> - You should give this parameters http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube=
5d/1.png as second deafault
>
> - put file with description of keys (txt in program folder) (It will hel=
p people... hmmm... hhihihihihi... (what people?;))
>
>
>
>
> Really best wishes in solving 3x3x3x3x3...
>
> Remigiusz Durka

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It sounds like there are a few other UI glitches/requests that we will
hoepfully be able to address in the next iteration (whenever that is),
so thanks for the feedback. Regarding the non-functionality of
Ctrl+Z, I have a wild guess that it might relate to keyboard layouts.

#) Ctr+Z is working now. I had to only restart computer after instalation..=
. So everything works now.

With default set parameters I must say it should be for example 3 default (=
Michal and I spend a lot of time trying to find the best view -> and mine w=
as good for both of us)

(it's hard beginner to know what to look for in a view ;-). After some time=
of course everyone will find the best for himself ..)


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