Thread: "Cuboid parity-esque situation on a {6}x{4} duoprism"

Thanks to Nan and Luna, we shook out a couple problems and found that we could run a contest through streaming YouTube chat. The functionality is very minimal, but it's enough. The best part is that anyone with a browser should be able to use it right away without joining or configuring anything. And the winner of the test was Luna with a fast solution to a completely unfamiliar but very easy puzzle. The test and solution files are here: http://superliminal.com/cube/contest3/. The puzzle ended up being the file test2.log, and Luna's solution was luna2.log. Congratulations Luna!

I wish a few more people showed up to test so that you'll be less likely to stumble while handling log files or operating any related software. I'll pick a puzzle that I think someone should be able to solve in an hour or two if not much less. I can't be certain how long it will go, but if you practice with a few random MC4D puzzles and try to keep your plans relatively free for a few hours, there's a chance that you can win. Even if you think you have no chance to win, you can still have a lot of fun. Our last contest was actually pretty hilarious and surprisingly exciting. Even this little test was fun. Even if you have no intention to participate, you may still enjoy just showing up to watch and maybe encourage the participants.

For reference, the official starting time will be 11 AM, Pacific time, Saturday December 9th. I'll aim to publish the scramble URL as close to that time as possible, so do show up a little early. The location is here: https://www.youtube.com/c/MelindaGreen/live. The winner will be the first to send me a correctly solved version to melinda@superliminal.com. You can use macros but you should define them during your solution. You don't need to submit your macro files. If you want to participate and can't get into the chat for any reason, send me email immediately.

Any questions? Please ask publicly or privately.

Good luck!
-Melinda

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will be in
town from out of state next weekend now. Good luck to those that compete!

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017, 2:37 PM Melinda Green melinda@superliminal.com
[4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks to Nan and Luna, we shook out a couple problems and found that we
> could run a contest through streaming YouTube chat. The functionality is
> very minimal, but it's enough. The best part is that anyone with a browse=
r
> should be able to use it right away without joining or configuring
> anything. And the winner of the test was Luna with a fast solution to a
> completely unfamiliar but very easy puzzle. The test and solution files a=
re
> here: http://superliminal.com/cube/contest3/. The puzzle ended up being
> the file test2.log, and Luna's solution was luna2.log. Congratulations Lu=
na!
>
> I wish a few more people showed up to test so that you'll be less likely
> to stumble while handling log files or operating any related software. I'=
ll
> pick a puzzle that I think someone should be able to solve in an hour or
> two if not much less. I can't be certain how long it will go, but if you
> practice with a few random MC4D puzzles and try to keep your plans
> relatively free for a few hours, there's a chance that you can win. Even =
if
> you think you have no chance to win, you can still have a lot of fun. Our
> last contest was actually pretty hilarious and surprisingly exciting. Eve=
n
> this little test was fun. Even if you have no intention to participate, y=
ou
> may still enjoy just showing up to watch and maybe encourage the
> participants.
>
> For reference, the official starting time will be 11 AM, Pacific time,
> Saturday December 9th. I'll aim to publish the scramble URL as close to
> that time as possible, so do show up a little early. The location is here=
:
> https://www.youtube.com/c/MelindaGreen/live. The winner will be the first
> to send me a correctly solved version to melinda@superliminal.com. You
> can use macros but you should define them during your solution. You don't
> need to submit your macro files. If you want to participate and can't get
> into the chat for any reason, send me email immediately.
>
> Any questions? Please ask publicly or privately.
>
> Good luck!
> -Melinda
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>

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Bummed I'm not doing to be able to make it after all =F0=
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luck to those that compete!

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Any objections to Sunday?

Also, are there more of you that would join in if the puzzle was the 3^4? I=
'd rather have more participants if that's what it takes. You can send me y=
our thoughts privately if you like.

-Melinda

On 12/3/2017 9:22 PM, Ty Jones whotyjones@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> He's only here for Friday Saturday so Sunday would work if people could d=
o it then!
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017, 9:58 PM Melinda Green melinda@superliminal.com to:melinda@superliminal.com> [4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com :4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Can you ask your friend to wait or watch you while you compete? It wi=
ll also be helpful to have someone there to watch the chat and alert you if=
we have any false starts. The contest may not even take very long though t=
hat is impossible to say. At worst, please suggest some other dates that mi=
ght work. I'm certainly happy to postpone if it means we can include everyo=
ne who wants participate.
>
> -Melinda
>
>
>
> On 12/3/2017 7:48 PM, Ty Jones whotyjones@gmail.com s@gmail.com> [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>>
>> Bummed I'm not doing to be able to make it after all =F0=9F=98=9E A =
friend will be in town from out of state next weekend now. Good luck to tho=
se that compete!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017, 2:37 PM Melinda Green melinda@superliminal.com =
[4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com ailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Nan and Luna, we shook out a couple problems and found=
that we could run a contest through streaming YouTube chat. The functional=
ity is very minimal, but it's enough. The best part is that anyone with a b=
rowser should be able to use it right away without joining or configuring a=
nything. And the winner of the test was Luna with a fast solution to a comp=
letely unfamiliar but very easy puzzle. The test and solution files are her=
e: http://superliminal.com/cube/contest3/. The puzzle ended up being the fi=
le test2.log, and Luna's solution was luna2.log. Congratulations Luna!
>>
>> I wish a few more people showed up to test so that you'll be les=
s likely to stumble while handling log files or operating any related softw=
are. I'll pick a puzzle that I think someone should be able to solve in an =
hour or two if not much less. I can't be certain how long it will go, but i=
f you practice with a few random MC4D puzzles and try to keep your plans re=
latively free for a few hours, there's a chance that you can win. Even if y=
ou think you have no chance to win, you can still have a lot of fun. Our la=
st contest was actually pretty hilarious and surprisingly exciting. Even th=
is little test was fun. Even if you have no intention to participate, you m=
ay still enjoy just showing up to watch and maybe encourage the participant=
s.
>>
>> For reference, the official starting time will be 11 AM, Pacific=
time, Saturday December 9th. I'll aim to publish the scramble URL as close=
to that time as possible, so do show up a little early. The location is he=
re: https://www.youtube.com/c/MelindaGreen/live. The winner will be the fir=
st to send me a correctly solved version to melinda@superliminal.com o:melinda@superliminal.com>. You can use macros but you should define them =
during your solution. You don't need to submit your macro files. If you wan=
t to participate and can't get into the chat for any reason, send me email =
immediately.
>>
>> Any questions? Please ask publicly or privately.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> -Melinda
>>
>
>
>
>=20


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Any objections to Sunday?



Also, are there more of you that would join in if the puzzle was the
3^4? I'd rather have more participants if that's what it takes. You
can send me your thoughts privately if you like.



-Melinda

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He's only here for Friday Saturday so Sunday would
work if people could do it then!

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017, 9:58 PM Melinda Green href=3D"mailto:melinda@superliminal.com"
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[4D_Cubing] < moz-do-not-send=3D"true">4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com>
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Can you ask your friend to wait or watch you while
you compete? It will also be helpful to have someone
there to watch the chat and alert you if we have any
false starts. The contest may not even take very
long though that is impossible to say. At worst,
please suggest some other dates that might work. I'm
certainly happy to postpone if it means we can
include everyone who wants participate.



-Melinda

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[4D_Cubing] wrote:

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it after all =F0=9F=98=9E A friend will be in town fr=
om out
of state next weekend now. Good luck to those that
compete!

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017, 2:37 PM
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target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">melind=
a@superliminal.com
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Thanks to Nan and Luna, we shook out
a couple problems and found that we
could run a contest through streaming
YouTube chat. The functionality is
very minimal, but it's enough. The
best part is that anyone with a
browser should be able to use it right
away without joining or configuring
anything. And the winner of the test
was Luna with a fast solution to a
completely unfamiliar but very easy
puzzle. The test and solution files
are here: href=3D"http://superliminal.com/cube/co=
ntest3/"
target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://superli=
minal.com/cube/contest3/.
The puzzle ended up being the file
test2.log, and Luna's solution was
luna2.log. Congratulations Luna!



I wish a few more people showed up to
test so that you'll be less likely to
stumble while handling log files or
operating any related software. I'll
pick a puzzle that I think someone
should be able to solve in an hour or
two if not much less. I can't be
certain how long it will go, but if
you practice with a few random MC4D
puzzles and try to keep your plans
relatively free for a few hours,
there's a chance that you can win.
Even if you think you have no chance
to win, you can still have a lot of
fun. Our last contest was actually
pretty hilarious and surprisingly
exciting. Even this little test was
fun. Even if you have no intention to
participate, you may still enjoy just
showing up to watch and maybe
encourage the participants.



For reference, the official starting
time will be 11 AM, Pacific time,
Saturday December 9th. I'll aim to
publish the scramble URL as close to
that time as possible, so do show up a
little early. The location is here: href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/c/MelindaGreen/live" target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.yo=
utube.com/c/MelindaGreen/live.
The winner will be the first to send
me a correctly solved version to href=3D"mailto:melinda@superliminal.com=
"
target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">melinda@superl=
iminal.com.
You can use macros but you should
define them during your solution. You
don't need to submit your macro files.
If you want to participate and can't
get into the chat for any reason, send
me email immediately.



Any questions? Please ask publicly or
privately.



Good luck!

-Melinda

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I find myself not knowing where to even start with the {3}x{3}. The cuts
are so deep that my usual method doesn't really work properly. (I tend not
to use commutators and cycles, in favour of a more LBL standard 3d puzzle
approach) I'll definitely be playing around with it though.

Do you have any idea what might have caused the 'parity' I got? After many
long hours I'm starting to worry it might have been a scramble glitch,
although I would be surprised if that was actually the case.

~Luna

On 4 December 2017 at 23:32, mananself@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> It seems like you guys are having fun with parities on a duoprism. I need
> to get myself familiar with MC4D again in this week. But the discussion
> reminded me of my previous solve of {3}x{3} - 3. See my old post here:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/4D_Cubing/conversations/topics/1166
>
> {3}x{3} is literally parity after parity after parity. It has less pieces
> than {6}x{4} so should be less tedious. Try it if you haven't!
>
> Nan
>
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Oh wow. After that it was surprisingly easy. Thanks a lot for the help. I
reckon the {7}x{4} is next. Hopefully it isn't any worse.

~Luna

On 7 Dec 2017 21:24, "zhulama@gmail.com [4D_Cubing]" <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> To make long story short, turning hexagonal prism was the wrong approach
> because this seemingly solved 2C parity, but created extra 3C parity and
> this is probably unsolvable in this form...
> Correct approach was to turn the cube side to make 2C parity solvable by
> using two 3-cycles and then resolve, this fixed everything.
>
> I made like 50 macros, deleted many and was left with 31 macro, most of
> which I forgot how to activate because I just used them and made more as =
I
> needed them.
>
> Trap itself is concentrating too much on prism sides, twisting just cube
> sides made final macro only 4 moves long (shift all sides on a cube side
> by one)
> thought I would have to make four 50 move macros and use them 20 times o=
r
> something...:D
>
> I would attach files, but something's not working correctly. It'll be
> better to solve without spoilers anyway.:)
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>

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Every extra participant increases the fun exponentially, so I very much hope you'll come.
-Melinda

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I can't remember if I've played with that one yet or not, but I am a fan of
the hyperbolic puzzles. They're very satisfying. I'll be sure to give it a
look.

~Luna

On 8 Dec 2017 09:15, "zhulama@gmail.com [4D_Cubing]" <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I would highly recommend "Magic Hyperbolic Tile {6,3,3}"!
> Melinda recommended it to me after I've solved 3^7 and I liked it a lot.
> It's not hard to solve once you wrap your head around how it works.
> It's is mind bending to figure out and I also encountered a very
> interesting parity issue that cost me like 40% of total number of moves t=
o
> resolve!:D
>=20
>

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I'm happy to see enthusiasm for Andrey's {6,3,3} puzzles. From the
website, it looks like you solved the 12-colored version, which is one I
have worked on as well (but have not yet completed).

I'm also interested to hear more about the parity situation you
encountered... What happened specifically and how did you get around it?

Roice


On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:15 AM, zhulama@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I would highly recommend "Magic Hyperbolic Tile {6,3,3}"!
> Melinda recommended it to me after I've solved 3^7 and I liked it a lot.
> It's not hard to solve once you wrap your head around how it works.
> It's is mind bending to figure out and I also encountered a very
> interesting parity issue that cost me like 40% of total number of moves t=
o
> resolve!:D
>
>
>=20
>

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