Thread: "Testing for end of major Yahoo Groups outage"

From: Marc Ringuette <ringuette@solarmirror.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:41:23 +0100
Subject: Testing for end of major Yahoo Groups outage



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Take the 3D/2D analogon.
A flat L-shape is achiral in 3D but chiral in 2D.
You can chose 2 different projections from 3D to 2D to produce the two form=
s of the chiral L in 2D.
The flat 2D L-shape can be turned in 3D to become a mirrored example.

Same in 4D/3D
The achiral tesseract in 4D can be projected to 3D by two different project=
ions (operations) to produce a right handed or a left handed 3D projection =
(result).
The righthanded 3D projection (result) of 2^4 can be turned in 4D to the le=
fthanded 3D projection (result) of 2^4.

Handedness of 2^4 appears only after the 4D/3D projection and you have two =
possible projections.
MCD4 has chosen one specific projection. The physical 2^4 should chose the =
same projection for practical reasons.

Hmph.

Best regards
Ed

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marc Ringuette ringuette@solarmirror.com [4D_Cubing]=20
To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:04 PM
Subject: [MC4D] Yes, there is handedness in 4D, 5D, etc


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(I'm re-sending this after 24 hours of not seeing it show up on the list)

Don't believe everything you read in a book.

I spent a long time yesterday trying to figure out how to reconcile the=20
claim that Ed quoted, that "handedness has no meaning in spaces with 4=20
dimensions or more", with the fact that I observe a handedness in MC4D=20
(we cannot create the left-right mirror image of the solved position via=
=20
any sequence of rotations; nor could I conceive of any non-stretching=20
rotations that MC4D could be lacking).

The resolution is simple: the quote is WRONG, completely wrong. There=20
is handedness in n-space for every n, called "orientation".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientation_(vector_space)

There are always two orientations, corresponding to a positive and=20
negative determinant of the unique linear transformation between a pair=20
of ordered bases. In every dimension n, if we put distinct colors on=20
all 2n sides of an n-dimensional hypercube, the object can never be=20
rotated into its mirror image.

Now I will try to expunge that wrong idea from my head.

Hmph.

Marc



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Take the 3D/2D analogon.

A flat L-shape is achiral in 3D but=
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chiral in 2D.

You can chose 2 different projections from=
3D to 2D=20
to produce the two forms of the chiral L in 2D.

The flat 2D L-shape can be turned in 3D=
to=20
become a mirrored example.

 

Same in 4D/3D

The achiral tesseract in 4D can be =
projected=20
to 3D by two different projections (operations) to produce a right han=
ded=20
or a left handed 3D projection (result).


The righthanded 3D projection (result=
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2^4 can be turned in 4D to the lefthanded 3D projection (result)&nbs=
p;of=20
2^4.

 

Handedness of 2^4 appears only after the 4=
D/3D=20
projection and you have two possible projections.

MCD4 has chosen one specific projection. T=
he=20
physical 2^4 should chose the same projection for practical=20
reasons.

 

Hmph.

 

Best regards

Ed

 

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ringuette@solarmirror.com [4D_Cubing]

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Subject: [MC4D] Yes, there is hand=
edness=20
in 4D, 5D, etc


 =20

(I'm re-sending this after 24 hours of not seeing it show up on the=20
list)

Don't believe everything you read in a book.

I spent =
a=20
long time yesterday trying to figure out how to reconcile the
claim t=
hat=20
Ed quoted, that "handedness has no meaning in spaces with 4
dimension=
s or=20
more", with the fact that I observe a handedness in MC4D
(we cannot c=
reate=20
the left-right mirror image of the solved position via
any sequence o=
f=20
rotations; nor could I conceive of any non-stretching
rotations that =
MC4D=20
could be lacking).

The resolution is simple:  the quote is WR=
ONG,=20
completely wrong. There
is handedness in n-space for every n,  c=
alled=20
"orientation".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientation_(vector_s=
pace)

There=20
are always two orientations, corresponding to a positive and
negative=
=20
determinant of the unique linear transformation between a pair
of ord=
ered=20
bases.   In every dimension n, if we put distinct colors on >all=20
2n sides of an n-dimensional hypercube, the object can never be
rotat=
ed=20
into its mirror image.

Now I will try to expunge that wrong idea f=
rom=20
my head.

Hmph.

Marc