Thread: "Melinda's physical 2^4 puzzle, full puzzle rotations"

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On 11/16/2017 2:22 PM, 'Eduard Baumann' ed.baumann@bluewin.ch
[4D_Cubing] wrote:
> BIG question. Is it possible to change the two "inverted" colors by
> simple moves?

Hi, Ed,

I think you're asking about what Melinda calls a full-puzzle rotation.  
Yes, this is key to being able to solve the full 2^4 puzzle in the same
way on both the virtual and the physical versions.   You can use either
of these two move sequences to do it.

Melinda's new video of her classic FOro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Fh_1m0UVY
Marc's alternative FOro using the ROIL moveset: https://youtu.be/3gvrda5fMto

I call the result of these sequences FOro, because they both correspond
to the single click MC4D move that is a Front-Out ROtation.

Here's an old video of mine, cued up to 2:30 where I demonstrate
Melinda's classic FOro while I carefully keep the puzzle oriented on a
desk.   At the end I show the MC4D equivalent of the rotation I just did
(at about 3:25 of the video).
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTTn7qY35M&t=150s


I wonder who is going to be the first person to solve the physical 2^4
puzzle?   It's not me, yet.   I've been waiting for more people to have
the puzzle before I get back to trying to solve it.  I've come up with a
3-cycle algorithm, though, so that's a good start.  I also have a long
solution to the "double twisted corner" problem, I think, but I really
want to come to a more thorough understanding of the 12 orientations of
the 4-color pieces of a 4D hypercube.

A good milestone will be when somebody generates an MC4D scramble, sets
up that position on their physical puzzle, and then solves it on the
physical puzzle while following along with MC4D, resulting in both
puzzles being solved.


Cheers
Marc


p.s.  here's a collection of my relevant videos of the physical 2^4
puzzle, so you don't have to dig for them.  I've omitted the ones that
use the deprecated (parity violating) quarter puzzle moves. These are
still marked "unlisted" in YouTube, at Melinda's request, until her
Public Release (TBD).   These vids are not fantastic quality, but
they're what I've got.

2 over the shoulder intro v3  https://youtu.be/_rXJr4SokC0
3 special rotations FUro and FOro  https://youtu.be/htTTn7qY35M
4 overlap of natural moves  https://youtu.be/Dsu-5TTDNbM
07a a 3 cycle on phys 2^4  https://youtu.be/S8hm3CupPJAd
07b same 3 cycle on mc4d  https://youtu.be/XCaaXxij6bc
12 ROIL moveset intro  https://youtu.be/oYeh5fK8LCI
13 ROIL version of FOro  https://youtu.be/3gvrda5fMto
14 ROIL scrambling   https://youtu.be/ymnvMzypUp8
15 ROIL strict subset vs macro equivalents https://youtu.be/Iu7MKzD4yq0
16 ROIL meaning of junctions out positions https://youtu.be/xN_vn-6RnV8


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On 11/16/2017 2:22 PM, 'Eduard Baumann' ed.baumann@bluewin.ch
[4D_Cubing] wrote:

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Thanks a lot for all these hints.
I saw the youtubes before I had my own physical 2^4 and couldn't follow at =
that time.

It's really a marvelous puzzle and I recommend it to everybody.

Best regards
Ed


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From: Marc Ringuette ringuette@solarmirror.com [4D_Cubing]=20
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Melinda's physical 2^4 puzzle, full puzzle rotations


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On 11/16/2017 2:22 PM, 'Eduard Baumann' ed.baumann@bluewin.ch [4D_Cubing]=
wrote:


BIG question. Is it possible to change the two "inverted" colors by sim=
ple moves?

Hi, Ed,

I think you're asking about what Melinda calls a full-puzzle rotation. =
Yes, this is key to being able to solve the full 2^4 puzzle in the same way=
on both the virtual and the physical versions. You can use either of the=
se two move sequences to do it.

Melinda's new video of her classic FOro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?=
v=3Dd2Fh_1m0UVY
Marc's alternative FOro using the ROIL moveset: https://youtu.be/3gvrda5=
fMto

I call the result of these sequences FOro, because they both correspond t=
o the single click MC4D move that is a Front-Out ROtation.=20

Here's an old video of mine, cued up to 2:30 where I demonstrate Melinda'=
s classic FOro while I carefully keep the puzzle oriented on a desk. At t=
he end I show the MC4D equivalent of the rotation I just did (at about 3:25=
of the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhtTTn7qY35M&t=3D150s


I wonder who is going to be the first person to solve the physical 2^4 pu=
zzle? It's not me, yet. I've been waiting for more people to have the p=
uzzle before I get back to trying to solve it. I've come up with a 3-cycle=
algorithm, though, so that's a good start. I also have a long solution to=
the "double twisted corner" problem, I think, but I really want to come to=
a more thorough understanding of the 12 orientations of the 4-color pieces=
of a 4D hypercube.=20=20

A good milestone will be when somebody generates an MC4D scramble, sets u=
p that position on their physical puzzle, and then solves it on the physica=
l puzzle while following along with MC4D, resulting in both puzzles being s=
olved.


Cheers
Marc


p.s. here's a collection of my relevant videos of the physical 2^4 puzzl=
e, so you don't have to dig for them. I've omitted the ones that use the d=
eprecated (parity violating) quarter puzzle moves. These are still marked =
"unlisted" in YouTube, at Melinda's request, until her Public Release (TBD)=
. These vids are not fantastic quality, but they're what I've got.

2 over the shoulder intro v3 https://youtu.be/_rXJr4SokC0
3 special rotations FUro and FOro https://youtu.be/htTTn7qY35M
4 overlap of natural moves https://youtu.be/Dsu-5TTDNbM
07a a 3 cycle on phys 2^4 https://youtu.be/S8hm3CupPJAd
07b same 3 cycle on mc4d https://youtu.be/XCaaXxij6bc
12 ROIL moveset intro https://youtu.be/oYeh5fK8LCI
13 ROIL version of FOro https://youtu.be/3gvrda5fMto=20
14 ROIL scrambling https://youtu.be/ymnvMzypUp8
15 ROIL strict subset vs macro equivalents https://youtu.be/Iu7MKzD4yq0
16 ROIL meaning of junctions out positions https://youtu.be/xN_vn-6RnV8



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