Thread: "Introduction of the 307th solver"

From: "Jelle Aalberts" <jelle.aalberts@kpnmail.nl>
Date: 20 Feb 2017 13:15:19 +0000
Subject: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: jldanie5@ncsu.edu
Date: 28 Feb 2017 01:20:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: jldanie5@ncsu.edu
Date: 28 Feb 2017 03:10:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:23:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver



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So do you think note taking, or referring to notes during the solve should =
be allowed or not?

I could disable the fanfare on solve in the blindfold version of MC4D if an=
ything feels it is important. It's a hacked version because the way I imple=
mented was too ugly to put in the official version. Of course solvers filmi=
ng themselves can always pause and declare "This will be my final twist" an=
d then we get to see what happens!

Thanks Nan!
-Melinda

On 2/27/2017 7:10 PM, mananself@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> Here's an old blindfold thread from 2011:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/4D_Cubing/conversations/messages/1860
>
> I blindfolded 2^4 with macros. I didn't feel it was a big challenge becau=
se of the use of macros. I didn't attempt any blindfold solve without macro=
s.
>
> I also summarized the steps here:
> http://wiki.superliminal.com/wiki/Main_Page#Blindfolded_Solving
>
> Since the amount of information in 3^4 ( 120 digits ) is about six times =
that of 3^3 (20 digits), 3^4 is way out of reach my memorization skill. But=
a good MultiBLD player should be able to do it. 2^4, however, has only 28 =
digits of information, which is less than 1.5 Rubik's Cubes. That' ;s why I=
was able to do it.
>
> Normally blindfold solvers end the solving by themselves, and if the cube=
is actually not solved, it's an DNF. The catch of hypercubing is that so f=
ar all the software I know recognize the solved state and pops a dialog whe=
n it's done, even if all stickers are gray. So theoretically a blindfold so=
lve can be like attempt -> if not recognized, undo until the beginning -> a=
ttempt again. As Melinda mentioned earlier, we can create a Blindfold mode =
in MC4D to fix this issue.
>
> Nan
>
>
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So do you think note taking, or referring to notes during the solve
should be allowed or not?



I could disable the fanfare on solve in the blindfold version of
MC4D if anything feels it is important. It's a hacked version
because the way I implemented was too ugly to put in the official
version. Of course solvers filming themselves can always pause and
declare "This will be my final twist" and then we get to see what
happens!



Thanks Nan!

-Melinda



On 2/27/2017 7:10 PM,
com">mananself@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:





Here's an old blindfold thread from 2011:
href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/4D_Cubing/conversations/message=
s/1860">https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/4D_Cubing/conversations/message=
s/1860






I blindfolded 2^4 with macros. I didn't feel it was a big
challenge because of the use of macros. I didn't attempt any
blindfold solve without macros.




I also summarized the steps here:

href=3D"http://wiki.superliminal.com/wiki/Main_Page#Blindfolded_S=
olving">http://wiki.superliminal.com/wiki/Main_Page#Blindfolded_Solving
=






Since the amount of information in 3^4 ( 120 digits ) is
about six times that of 3^3 (20 digits), 3^4 is way out of reach
my memorization skill. But a good MultiBLD player should be able
to do it. 2^4, however, has only 28 digits of information, which
is less than 1.5 Rubik's Cubes. That' ;s why I was able to do
it.




Normally blindfold solvers end the solving by themselves, and
if the cube is actually not solved, it's an DNF. The catch of
hypercubing is that so far all the software I know recognize the
solved state and pops a dialog when it's done, even if all
stickers are gray. So theoretically a blindfold solve can be
like attempt -> if not recognized, undo until the beginning
-> attempt again. As Melinda mentioned earlier, we can create
a Blindfold mode in MC4D to fix this issue.




Nan

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From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 28 Feb 2017 05:14:16 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 28 Feb 2017 07:08:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: jelle.aalberts@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:28:45 +0200
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: Johan Groenewald <johan.groenewald@gmail.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2017 16:03:20 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: jelle.aalberts@hotmail.com
Date: 28 Feb 2017 20:40:52 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: damienturtle@hotmail.co.uk
Date: 01 Mar 2017 00:51:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: dinicuros97@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 18:57:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver



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Use this special edition version of MC4D with which you can toggle the blindfolding using d. Note-taking sounds fine to me, though others should speak up if they have opinions or specific suggestions. Best would be to take notes by hand on a piece of paper that you show is blank before beginning.

On 2/27/2017 5:20 PM, jldanie5@ncsu.edu [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> I'm also interested in doing the 3^4 blind. Would written or typed notes be allowed? I assume you would just gray out the cube and solve it from that point after taking notes/memorizing.
>
> -Joshua Daniels


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Use this specia=
l
edition
version of MC4D with which you can toggle the
blindfolding using <ctrl>d. Note-taking sounds fine to me,
though others should speak up if they have opinions or specific
suggestions. Best would be to take notes by hand on a piece of paper
that you show is blank before beginning.



On 2/27/2017 5:20 PM, t-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:jldanie5@ncsu.edu">jldanie5@ncsu.edu
[4D_Cubing] wrote:





I'm also interested in doing the 3^4 blind. =C2=A0Would written or
typed notes be allowed? =C2=A0I assume you would just gray out the cu=
be
and solve it from that point after taking notes/memorizing.



-Joshua Daniels








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From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 01 Mar 2017 06:30:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 01 Mar 2017 06:42:58 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:54:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 307th solver



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Hi Jelle,

Yes I plan to try until I succeed (as with all things I do in life), but
it's a slow go as my free time is minimal. I wouldn't mind if I'm not the
first, but at least would want to be in the top 5 :D

Thanks for everybody's inputs.

Regarding the parity, guess I've just been lucky the few times I've tried
my solve without blanking any items. It sounds like the solution would be
to create a macro that can swop 2 edges and 2 centers...

Regarding taking notes, I agree with Nan, a macro is a substitute for
muscle memory. Blind solving is more a challenge of set-up and down moves
and ... memorizing the entire cube before you start. I would suggest
allowing macros, but no notes allowed whatsoever. Technically you can't
take or read notes while blind folded :P It is not like the first solve
would have any time restriction that you wouldn't have time to figure it
out in your head (apart from blind solving in one sitting).

Kind Regards
Johan Groenewald

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Hi Jelle,

Yes I plan to try until I suc=
ceed (as with all things I do in life), but it's a slow go as my free t=
ime is minimal. I wouldn't mind if I'm not the first, but at least =
would want to be in the top 5 :D

Thanks for everyb=
ody's inputs.=C2=A0

Regarding the parity, gues=
s I've just been lucky the few times I've tried my solve without bl=
anking any items. It sounds like the solution would be to create a macro th=
at can swop 2 edges and 2 centers...

Regarding tak=
ing notes, I agree with Nan, a macro is a substitute for muscle memory. Bli=
nd solving is more a challenge of set-up and down moves and ... memorizing =
the entire cube before you start. I would suggest allowing macros, but no n=
otes allowed whatsoever. Technically you can't take or read notes while=
blind folded :P It is not like the first solve would have any time restric=
tion that you wouldn't have time to figure it out in your head (apart f=
rom blind solving in one sitting).

Kind Regardsiv>
Johan Groenewald


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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:39:21 -0800
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver



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What category do macro set-up moves fall into? They are part of macro use, =
yet permutation-specific.
-Melinda

On 2/28/2017 10:30 PM, mananself@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> About note taking, let's separate it to the notes that do not depend on t=
he permutation, and those that do.
>
> All the PLL, OLL algorithms fall into the first category. People spend a =
long time memorize them into long term memory and even muscle memory. Given=
enough time to practice, we can all learn many algorithms. This is not the=
real challenge of blindfolded solves. Usual macros also fall into this cat=
egory.
>
> The steps to cycle pieces, or the orientation of the pieces, fall into th=
e second category. One needs to put them to short term memory. This is a me=
morization game, like memorizing a deck of cards. I consider this the essen=
ce of blindfolded solves, which differentiates them from speed solving. For=
this reason, I would consider taking such notes legit only if you take the=
m, memorize them and throw them away before you make turns. Of course, for =
practice it's fine to make turns according to notes. But in a real B LD sol=
ve, you should not look at the permutation-dependent notes.
>
> Nan
>
>
> ---In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
>
> Use this special edition ve=
rsion of MC4D with which you can toggle the blindfolding using d. Not=
e-taking sounds fine to me, though others should speak up if they have opin=
ions or specific suggestions. Best would be to take notes by hand on a piec=
e of paper that you show is blank before beginning.
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:20 PM, jldanie5@... [4D_Cubing] wrot=
e:
>
>> I'm also interested in doing the 3^4 blind. Would written or typed =
notes be allowed? I assume you would just gray out the cube and solve it f=
rom that point after taking notes/memorizing.
>>
>> -Joshua Daniels
>
>
>
>=20


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What category do macro set-up moves fall into? They are part of
macro use, yet permutation-specific.

-Melinda



On 2/28/2017 10:30 PM,
com">mananself@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:





About note taking, let's separate it to the notes that do not
depend on the permutation, and those that do.=C2=A0




All the PLL, OLL algorithms fall into the first category.
People spend a long time memorize them into long term memory and
even muscle memory. Given enough time to practice, we can all
learn many algorithms. This is not the real challenge of
blindfolded solves. Usual macros also fall into this category.>



The steps to cycle pieces, or the orientation of the pieces,
fall into the second category. One needs to put them to short
term memory. This is a memorization game, like memorizing a deck
of cards. I consider this the essence of blindfolded solves,
which differentiates them from speed solving. For this reason, I
would consider taking such notes legit only if you take them,
memorize them and throw them away before you make turns. Of
course, for practice it's fine to make turns according to notes.
But in a real B LD solve, you should not look at the
permutation-dependent notes.




Nan





---In g@yahoogroups.com">4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:melinda@..."><melinda@...> wrote :




Use this target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"http://superliminal.com/cube/mc4d-blind.jar">special
edition
version of MC4D with which you can toggle the
blindfolding using <ctrl>d. Note-taking sounds fine to
me,
though others should speak up if they have opinions or
specific
suggestions. Best would be to take notes by hand on a piece of
paper
that you show is blank before beginning.







I'm also interested in doing
the 3^4 blind. =C2=A0Would written or
typed notes be allowed? =C2=A0I assume you would just gray
out the cube
and solve it from that point after taking
notes/memorizing.



-Joshua Daniels








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From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 01 Mar 2017 18:53:08 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver




From: mananself@gmail.com
Date: 05 Mar 2017 03:37:15 +0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: Introduction of the 307th solver





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