Thread: "How big is a 120-cell?"

From: llamaonacid@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:55:25 -0600
Subject: How big is a 120-cell?



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That's an interesting question.

If you think of the 120-cell as living in S^3 (on the 3-sphere), then yes -
the longest length between portions of it are at antipodes. With a
normalized 3-sphere radius of 1, this distance would be 2 as a straight
line distance, or pi as a geodesic distance in the 3-sphere. Antipodal
points that are centers of cells or any other antipodal points would all be
the same distance from each other.

If you think of the 120-cell as a polytope living in R^4, then it's a
little more complicated. Think about the dodecahedron. It has an
"inradius" through antipodal faces, a "midradius" through antipodal edges,
and a "circumradius" through antipodal vertices. The last are the furthest
from each other. The 120-cell would be have similarly, and so I gather you
are asking: What is the circumradius of the 120-cell, with a scaling so
that the edge length is 1? Note that the longest portion is *not* the
center of a cell to the center of the opposite cell.

Sounds like an interesting problem to calculate, but I was lazy and looked
it up.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/120-Cell.html

That page says the vertices of a 120-cell with circumradius 2*sqrt(2) have
edge length 3 - sqrt(5). Therefore, the circumradius of a 120-cell with
edge length 1 have circumradius 2*sqrt(2)/(3-sqrt(5)), or approximately 3.7
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The distance between antipodal vertices will be twice that amount.

Roice



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:25 PM, llamaonacid@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> How big is the longest portion of a 120-cell using the measurement from
> the image below? Would the longest length be the center of a cell to the
> center of the opposite cell?
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That's an interesting question.

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From: Roman Tershak <t_roma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 11:49:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [MC4D] How big is a 120-cell?




From: Roman Tershak <t_roma@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:53:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [MC4D] How big is a 120-cell?



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Interesting! Is it at all related to the holyhedron=20
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like the Steffen model which also happens to contains 14 triangular faces.

-Melinda

On 12/12/2015 3:14 PM, Roice Nelson roice3@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
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> Turns out I already had the latter configured in MagicTile (the {6,3}=20
> 7-Color), but I didn't have the former, so I just added it. Here are=20
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> Both are in the Euclidean/Torus section of MagicTile.
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> www.gravitation3d.com/magictile
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> Enjoy!
> Roice
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Interesting! Is it at all related to the href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyhedron">holyhedron or
the flexible href=3D"http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FlexiblePolyhedron.html">Steffen
model? It looks a lot like the Steffen model which also
happens to contains 14 triangular faces.



-Melinda



On 12/12/2015 3:14 PM, Roice Nelson
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It is the only known polyhedron besides the tetrahedron
that has no diagonals - all 7 vertices connect to every
other.=C2=A0 With 21 edges and 14 faces, its genus is 1.=C2=A0 Yo=
u can
think of it as the href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_graph">complete
graph
K_7 embedded on the torus.=C2=A0 It also has a dual,
the href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szilassi_polyhedron">Szil=
assi
polyhedron
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href=3D"http://blogs.ams.org/visualinsight/2015/08/01/heawood-g=
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graph.




Turns out I already had the latter configured in MagicTile
(the {6,3} 7-Color), but I didn't have the former, so I just
added it.=C2=A0 Here are some pictures of the tilings.








Both are in the Euclidean/Torus section of MagicTile.









Enjoy!

Roice







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