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of solid stickers. An accurate display would not necessarily be simple=20
cubes. Rather, they would be the unions of the projections of their=20
cubic faces.
-Melinda
On 7/11/2015 2:34 PM, 'alvin55531 .' alvin5553@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> =E2=80=8BThe stickers in MC5D are wireframe tesseract, which makes sense =
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> the stickers for MC4D are 3d cubes and the rubik's cube has "2D"=20
> stickers. But would the puzzle be the same if the stickers were cubes=20
> instead of tesseracts, just like MC7D individual stickers. =E2=80=8BI don=
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Sure, they could. They could also be dots: see some MC6D pictures
the pictures area, where I drew stickers as dots because 5D-stickers would
look excessively complicated. If you look at Don's ND-solver code
for stickers, which is yet another possibility. They could even be tiny
little cats if we wanted, as long as the combinatorics of the puzzle
remained accurate :)
I think it is somewhat of an aesthetic choice. If you make them cubes, I
would argue that is less faithful to the nature of the puzzle. The
stickers are 4D, so why not draw them that way? What Melinda described
would be faithful as well in my opinion. A *downside* to making them
appear 3D is that it might end up causing confusion for some folks when
first exposed to the puzzle.
In MC7D, stickers are excessively complicated too, so Andrey made some
choices to cull things out to make usage tractable. It seems necessary to
make some simplification there. Do you have a reason to prefer cubes over
hypercubes in MC5D?
Roice
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:29 AM, 'alvin55531 .' alvin5553@gmail.com
[4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Can the stickers be not tesseract but just cubes? If every single sticker
> on MC5D were replaced with stickers similar to MC4D, I don't think it wou=
ld
> make a difference except for the fact that the stickers in the center wou=
ld
> be covered by stickers on top of it.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Melinda Green melinda@superliminal.com
> [4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I like that the wireframe stickers are obviously tesseracts, and it may
>> be useful to be able to see through them, however I also like your idea =
of
>> solid stickers. An accurate display would not necessarily be simple cube=
s.
>> Rather, they would be the unions of the projections of their cubic faces=
.
>> -Melinda
>>
>> On 7/11/2015 2:34 PM, 'alvin55531 .' alvin5553@gmail.com [4D_Cubing]
>> wrote:
>>
>> =E2=80=8BThe stickers in MC5D are wireframe tesseract, which makes sens=
e since
>> the stickers for MC4D are 3d cubes and the rubik's cube has "2D" sticker=
s.
>> But would the puzzle be the same if the stickers were cubes instead of
>> tesseracts, just like MC7D individual stickers. =E2=80=8BI don't see how=
it would
>> make a difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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folks when first exposed to the puzzle.
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I like that the wireframe stickers are obviously tesseracts, and it
may be useful to be able to see through them, however I also like
your idea of solid stickers. An accurate display would not
necessarily be simple cubes. Rather, they would be the unions of the
projections of their cubic faces.
-Melinda
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in MC5D are wireframe tesseract, which makes sense since the
stickers for MC4D are 3d cubes and the rubik's cube has "=
;2D"
stickers. But would the puzzle be the same if the stickers
were cubes instead of tesseracts, just like MC7D individual
stickers. =E2=80=8BI don't see how it would make a difference=
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From: "alvin55531 ." <alvin5553@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:35:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [MC4D] MagicCube5D Stickers
From: "alvin55531 ." <alvin5553@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:10:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] MagicCube5D Stickers
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I like Roice's idea of using 3D kitties. There could be black ones,=20
white ones, tiger striped, etc.; and they can meow when clicked. Of=20
course they'll keep wandering off, so solving becomes impossible.
On 7/13/2015 5:35 PM, 'alvin55531 .' alvin5553@gmail.com [4D_Cubing] wrote:
>
>
> So the stickers in MC7D, normally, would be 6D stickers, but since=20
> that would be too complicated, 3D stickers are used instead.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Roice Nelson roice3@gmail.com=20
>
>
>
> Sure, they could. They could also be dots: see some MC6D pictures
>
> in the pictures area, where I drew stickers as dots because
> 5D-stickers would look excessively complicated. If you look at
> Don's ND-solver code
>
> characters for stickers, which is yet another possibility. They
> could even be tiny little cats if we wanted, as long as the
> combinatorics of the puzzle remained accurate :)
>
> I think it is somewhat of an aesthetic choice. If you make them
> cubes, I would argue that is less faithful to the nature of the
> puzzle. The stickers are 4D, so why not draw them that way? What
> Melinda described would be faithful as well in my opinion. A
> *downside* to making them appear 3D is that it might end up
> causing confusion for some folks when first exposed to the puzzle.
>
> In MC7D, stickers are excessively complicated too, so Andrey made
> some choices to cull things out to make usage tractable. It seems
> necessary to make some simplification there. Do you have a reason
> to prefer cubes over hypercubes in MC5D?
>
> Roice
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:29 AM, 'alvin55531 .'
> alvin5553@gmail.com
> <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Can the stickers be not tesseract but just cubes? If every
> single sticker on MC5D were replaced with stickers similar to
> MC4D, I don't think it would make a difference except for the
> fact that the stickers in the center would be covered by
> stickers on top of it.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Melinda Green
> melinda@superliminal.com
> [4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> I like that the wireframe stickers are obviously
> tesseracts, and it may be useful to be able to see through
> them, however I also like your idea of solid stickers. An
> accurate display would not necessarily be simple cubes.
> Rather, they would be the unions of the projections of
> their cubic faces.
> -Melinda
>
> On 7/11/2015 2:34 PM, 'alvin55531 .' alvin5553@gmail.com
>
>> =E2=80=8BThe stickers in MC5D are wireframe tesseract, which
>> makes sense since the stickers for MC4D are 3d cubes and
>> the rubik's cube has "2D" stickers. But would the puzzle
>> be the same if the stickers were cubes instead of
>> tesseracts, just like MC7D individual stickers. =E2=80=8BI d=
on't
>> see how it would make a difference.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I like Roice's idea of using 3D kitties. There could be black ones,
white ones, tiger striped, etc.; and they can meow when clicked. Of
course they'll keep wandering off, so solving becomes impossible.
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in MC7D, normally, would be 6D stickers, but since that would
be too complicated, 3D stickers are used instead.=C2=A0
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[4D_Cubing] < href=3D"mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">4=
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dots: see some href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/4D_Cubing/photos/albums/1099782=
835"
target=3D"_blank">MC6D pictures in the
pictures area, where I drew stickers as dots
because 5D-stickers would look excessively
complicated.=C2=A0 If you look at Don's
href=3D"http://www.plunk.org/%7Ehatch/MagicCubeNdSo=
lve/"
target=3D"_blank">ND-solver code, he uses text
characters for stickers, which is yet another
possibility.=C2=A0 They could even be tiny little cat=
s
if we wanted, as long as the combinatorics of the
puzzle remained accurate :) =C2=A0
choice.=C2=A0 If you make them cubes, I would argue
that is less faithful to the nature of the
puzzle.=C2=A0 The stickers are 4D, so why not draw
them that way?=C2=A0 What Melinda described would b=
e
faithful as well in my opinion.=C2=A0 A *downside* =
to
making them appear 3D is that it might end up
causing confusion for some folks when first
exposed to the puzzle.
too, so Andrey made some choices to cull things
out to make usage tractable.=C2=A0 It seems necessa=
ry
to make some simplification there.=C2=A0 Do you hav=
e
a reason to prefer cubes over hypercubes in
MC5D?
10:29 AM, 'alvin55531 .'
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target=3D"_blank">eviated" href=3D"mailto:alvin5553@gmail.com">alvin5553@gmail.com
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target=3D"_blank">breviated" href=3D"mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com">4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.=
com>
wrote:
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-serif">Can
the stickers be not tesseract but just
cubes? If every single sticker on MC5D
were replaced with stickers similar to
MC4D, I don't think it would make a
difference except for the fact that
the stickers in the center would be
covered by stickers on top of it.=C2=A0div>
12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Melinda Green
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om"
target=3D"_blank">-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:melinda@superliminal.com">melinda@superli=
minal.com
[4D_Cubing] <
href=3D"mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroup=
s.com"
target=3D"_blank">xt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com">4D_Cubing@ya=
hoogroups.com>
wrote:
style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid">
=C2=A0
wireframe stickers are
obviously tesseracts,
and it may be useful to
be able to see through
them, however I also
like your idea of solid
stickers. An accurate
display would not
necessarily be simple
cubes. Rather, they
would be the unions of
the projections of their
cubic faces.
-Melinda
'alvin55531 .'
href=3D"mailto:alvin5553@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ink-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:alvin5553@gmail.com">alvin5553@gmail.com>
[4D_Cubing] wrote:
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">=E2=80=8BThe stickers in M=
C5D are
wireframe tesseract,
which makes sense
since the stickers
for MC4D are 3d
cubes and the
rubik's cube has
"2D" stickers. But
would the puzzle be
the same if the
stickers were cubes
instead of
tesseracts, just
like MC7D individual
stickers. =E2=80=8BI do=
n't
see how it would
make a difference.
=20=20=20=20=20=20
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From: d_funny007@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Aug 2015 03:20:33 -0700
Subject: Re: MagicCube5D Stickers