Thread: "I'm back!"

From: "Remigiusz Durka" <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:28:27 -0000
Subject: I'm back!



I bring to you new era ;) -> Hyperspeedsolving

During few days (after First Polish Rubik's Championships) I've
returned to 4D cubing.

I did some macros...And see what I have done...


Central crosses =CC
Face crosses =FC
Corners =C

My 3x3x3x3 solves (in order)


MY TIMES on 3x3x3x3 (Including times of stages in last results)

NR TIME (minutes:seconds) CC,FC,C

1 two weeks
2. 87:13,00
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
3. 52:14,66
4. 46:58,64
5. 43:36,81
6. 41:40,07 [CC=4 min] [FC=29 min] [C=9 min]
7. 32:09,15 [CC=3 min] [FC=24 min] [C=5 min]




Once more with coments


NR TIME Coments

1 two weeks My first solve (without macros)(april 2005)
2. 87:13,00 2nd but first time I used macros on 3^4
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------
3. 52:14,66 week ago
4. 46:58,64 (after having 52:14,66 I start this one so
2hypercubes in a row ;)
5. 43:36,81 few days ago (searching way for searching of
pieces)
6. 41:40,07 yesterday (I had a headache)
7. 32:09,15 today (27th October 2005)

I'm improving my system searching pieces...I think it is possible to
me to have time sub-20 min.

Number of moves -> 2300-2500

See You soon

Remigiusz






From: "Guy" <guy@guypadfield.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:14:46 +0200
Subject: RE: [MC4D] I'm back!



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Well done, R! Ironically, hyperspeedcubing seems to be a very time-intensiv=
e
activity and I now see I am hopelessly unprepared to take up your challenge=
.


=20

Does anyone happen to know the maximum =91God=92s algorithm=92 move count f=
or a
3^4 (i.e., the maximum number of twists a scrambled cube can be away from
the solution)?

=20

Guy

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De : 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com] De la par=
t
de Remigiusz Durka
Envoy=E9 : mardi, 27. septembre 2005 16:28
=C0 : 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [MC4D] I'm back!

=20

I bring to you new era ;) -> Hyperspeedsolving

During few days (after First Polish Rubik's Championships) I've=20
returned to 4D cubing.

I did some macros...And see what I have done...


Central crosses =3DCC
Face crosses =3DFC
Corners =3DC

My 3x3x3x3 solves (in order)


MY TIMES on 3x3x3x3 (Including times of stages in last results)

NR TIME (minutes:seconds) CC,FC,C

1 two weeks
2. 87:13,00
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
3. 52:14,66
4. 46:58,64
5. 43:36,81
6. 41:40,07 [CC=3D4 min] [FC=3D29 min] [C=3D9 min]
7. 32:09,15 [CC=3D3 min] [FC=3D24 min] [C=3D5 min]




Once more with coments


NR TIME Coments

1 two weeks My first solve (without macros)(april 2005)
2. 87:13,00 2nd but first time I used macros on 3^4
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------
3. 52:14,66 week ago
4. 46:58,64 (after having 52:14,66 I start this one so=20
2hypercubes in a row ;)
5. 43:36,81 few days ago (searching way for searching of=20
pieces)=20=20=20=20=20=20
6. 41:40,07 yesterday (I had a headache)
7. 32:09,15 today (27th October 2005)

I'm improving my system searching pieces...I think it is possible to=20
me to have time sub-20 min.

Number of moves -> 2300-2500

See You soon

Remigiusz







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hyperspeedcubing seems to be a very time-intensive activity and I now see I=
am
hopelessly unprepared to take up your challenge.
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does anyone happen =
to
know the maximum ‘God’s algorithm’ move count for a 3^4 (=
i.e.,
the maximum number of twists a scrambled cube can be away from the solution=
)?



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Remigiusz Durka

Envoy=E9 : mardi, 27. s=
eptembre
2005 16:28

=C0 : 4D_Cubing@yahoogr=
oups.com

Objet : [MC4D] I'm back=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I bring to you new era ;) -> Hyperspeedsolvin=
g
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">font-family:
"Courier New"'>



During few days (after First Polish Rubik's
Championships) I've


returned to 4D cubing.



I did some macros...And see what I have done=
...






Central crosses =3DCC

Face crosses    =3DFC<=
/tt>

Corners      &=
nbsp; 
=3DC




My 3x3x3x3 solves (in order)





MY TIMES on 3x3x3x3 (Including times of stag=
es in
last results)




NR      TIME
(minutes:seconds)      CC,FC,C




1       two weeksfont>

2.      87:13,00ont>

--------------------------------------------=
-------------------------


--------------------

3.      52:14,66ont>

4.      46:58,64ont>

5.      43:36,81ont>

6.      41:40,07
      [CC=3D4 min] [FC=3D29 min] [C=3D9 min]>


7.      32:09,15
      [CC=3D3 min] [FC=3D24 min] [C=3D5 min]>










Once more with coments





NR     
TIME           
            Coments>




1       two
weeks      My first solve (without macros)(april 2=
005)


2.     
87:13,00      2nd but first time I used macros on =
3^4


--------------------------------------------=
-------------------------


---------------------

3.     
52:14,66      week ago


4.     
46:58,64      (after having 52:14,66 I start this =
one
so


2hypercubes in a row ;)

5.     
43:36,81      few days ago (searching way for
searching of


pieces)      >

6.      41:40,07
      yesterday (I had a headache)


7.      32:09,15
      today (27th October 2005)




I'm improving my system searching pieces...I=
think
it is possible to


me to have time sub-20 min.



Number of moves -> 2300-2500<=
br>


See You soon



Remigiusz


















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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:43:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



Guy wrote:

>Well done, R! Ironically, hyperspeedcubing seems to be a very time-intensive
>activity and I now see I am hopelessly unprepared to take up your challenge.
>
>
So Remigiusz, where you able to generate much interest in the 4D cube
among the participants in the Polish speed championships? Get those guys
hooked on MC4D and perhaps you'll soon find some serious competition!

>Does anyone happen to know the maximum �God�s algorithm� move count for a
>3^4 (i.e., the maximum number of twists a scrambled cube can be away from
>the solution)?
>
>
I don't know much about god's algorithm though I do know that a
surprising amount *is* known about it. I wouldn't be surprised if
G(3^4) < 3G(3^3)
(The scalar is simply to recognize the fact that there are 3 times as
many stickers to position.) The reason I wouldn't be surprised is
because there is just so much more room in 4-space in which to slide
things out of the way while doing something else.

-Melinda




From: "Remigiusz Durka" <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:05:54 +0200
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



> So Remigiusz, where you able to generate much interest in the 4D cube
> among the participants in the Polish speed championships? Get those guys
> hooked on MC4D and perhaps you'll soon find some serious competition!


I talked with Ron van Bruchem and Zbigniew Zborowski about it (Did you heard
about Z-B system in rubik? they discover it! ZZ was organizator these
championships,Ron was delgate from WCA). They agree to consider on II Polish
Championships hypercube cathegory.
Ron said that there should be 2 contestens (That should be no problem with
that- on these championships were: me,Piotrowski,Wizner)

there is also problem with measure the time (is it possible to impement
timer to the program?), using macros (doing macros during the solve, not
using them, etc...)

///With preapeard macros I can (after some practice) do 3x3x3x3 in 20
minutes. Preapearing macros will give me 5-10 minutes more...
//Without macros it will last 2-3 hours....- it's not good, becuase you
can't take part in other competions and also after this you will be very
tired...


However Zborowski is ethusiast of this kind of competition. (Poland would be
place where something new started in rubik ;) )
Also becuse having Piotrowski,Wizer,Lazar and me ;) what makes us world's
potentat in hypecubes ;)



Bye,
Remigiusz





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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:25:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



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Remigiusz Durka wrote:

>>So Remigiusz, where you able to generate much interest in the 4D cube
>>among the participants in the Polish speed championships? Get those guys
>>hooked on MC4D and perhaps you'll soon find some serious competition!
>>
>>
>
>
>I talked with Ron van Bruchem and Zbigniew Zborowski about it (Did you heard
>about Z-B system in rubik? they discover it! ZZ was organizator these
>championships,Ron was delgate from WCA). They agree to consider on II Polish
>Championships hypercube cathegory.
>Ron said that there should be 2 contestens (That should be no problem with
>that- on these championships were: me,Piotrowski,Wizner)
>
>
This is very exciting news.

>there is also problem with measure the time (is it possible to impement
>timer to the program?), using macros (doing macros during the solve, not
>using them, etc...)
>
>
I am leaving my job tomorrow and plan to take off a good chunk of time
if I am lucky. High on my todo list during my break will be to port MC4D
to Java and I will definitely plan to include timing features. Please
send me any requests you can think of that will make this stuff as
useful as possible.

>///With preapeard macros I can (after some practice) do 3x3x3x3 in 20
>minutes. Preapearing macros will give me 5-10 minutes more...
>//Without macros it will last 2-3 hours....- it's not good, becuase you
>can't take part in other competions and also after this you will be very
>tired...
>
>
I highly suggest that you hold competitions in both categories as both
are valid but require different skills.
You might suggest holding the 4D competitions after the end of your 3D
contests so that it won't matter if the contestants burn out at the end.

>However Zborowski is ethusiast of this kind of competition. (Poland would be
>place where something new started in rubik ;) )
>Also becuse having Piotrowski,Wizer,Lazar and me ;) what makes us world's
>potentat in hypecubes ;)
>
>
There does seem to be something special about Poland when it comes to
Rubik puzzles!
-Melinda

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Remigiusz Durka wrote:

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So Remigiusz, where you able to generate much interest in the 4D cube
among the participants in the Polish speed championships? Get those guys
hooked on MC4D and perhaps you'll soon find some serious competition!




I talked with Ron van Bruchem and Zbigniew Zborowski about it (Did you heard
about Z-B system in rubik? they discover it! ZZ was organizator these
championships,Ron was delgate from WCA). They agree to consider on II Polish
Championships hypercube cathegory.
Ron said that there should be 2 contestens (That should be no problem with
that- on these championships were: me,Piotrowski,Wizner)


This is very exciting news.

type="cite">

there is also problem with measure the time (is it possible to impement
timer to the program?), using macros (doing macros during the solve, not
using them, etc...)


I am leaving my job tomorrow and plan to take off a good chunk of time
if I am lucky. High on my todo list during my break will be to port
MC4D to Java and I will definitely plan to include timing features.
Please send me any requests you can think of that will make this stuff
as useful as possible.

type="cite">

///With preapeard macros I can (after some practice) do 3x3x3x3 in 20
minutes. Preapearing macros will give me 5-10 minutes more...
//Without macros it will last 2-3 hours....- it's not good, becuase you
can't take part in other competions and also after this you will be very
tired...


I highly suggest that you hold competitions in both categories as both
are valid but require different skills.

You might suggest holding the 4D competitions after the end of your 3D
contests so that it won't matter if the contestants burn out at the end.

type="cite">

However Zborowski is ethusiast of this kind of competition. (Poland would be
place where something new started in rubik ;) )
Also becuse having Piotrowski,Wizer,Lazar and me ;) what makes us world's
potentat in hypecubes ;)


There does seem to be something special about Poland when it comes to
Rubik puzzles!

-Melinda




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From: <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:42:03 +0200
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



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Few suggests:

1. Timer...showing time of solving ((2 ways - counting time then cube is on=
(you can close program and open again (and time between this 2 events does=
n't count) or time from start solving to the end (even when you don't solve=
cube timer is still on)


First is good for beginers and big cubes...

Second is important in quick solving (in competition)...


2. SHOW THE NUMBER Of TWISTS during the solving (i mean twist, not moves...=
)


I send link to http://gabbasoft.com/ where you can download program with cu=
bes from 2^3 to 20^3 (it has timer and counter)






-------------------------------------------
Some time ago I also reported :

-make linux version SLOWER...(5x5x5x5 has good tempo ...but 2x2x2x2 is craz=
y...just like looking on changing snapshots)

-Could I ask about puting more options to the program instead comannd line =
options ?

- I would be very happy to see all axis with the same flexibility (I need t=
his when I'm doing quick solve with macros)=20

The lack of moving z-axis is really annoying (i like windows version...


- there are problems with making macros which starts from middle slices (or=
using two slices)


And the last:

other cubes and macros in windows version



That all for now,

Bye

RD

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Few suggests:

 

1. Timer...showing time of solving ((2 way=
s -=20
counting time then cube is on (you can close program and open again (and ti=
me=20
between this 2 events doesn't count) or time from start solving to the end =
(even=20
when you don't solve cube timer is still on)

 

 

First is good for beginers and big=20
cubes...

 

Second is important in quick solving (in=20
competition)...

 

 

2. SHOW THE NUMBER Of TWISTS during the so=
lving (i=20
mean twist, not moves...)

 

 

I send link to href=3D"http://gabbasoft.com/">http://gabbasoft.com/ where you can=
=20
download program with cubes from 2^3 to 20^3 (it has timer and=20
counter)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Some time ago I also reported :V>
 

-make linux version SLOWER...(5x5x5x5 has =
good=20
tempo ...but 2x2x2x2 is crazy...just like looking on changing=20
snapshots)

 

-Could I ask about puting more options to =
the=20
program instead comannd line options ?

 

- I would be very happy to see all axis wi=
th the=20
same flexibility (I need this when I'm doing quick solve with macros)=20

 

The lack of moving z-axis is really annoyi=
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- there are problems with making macros wh=
ich=20
starts from middle slices (or using two slices)

 

 

And the last:

 

other cubes and macros in windows=20
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That all for now,

 

Bye

 

RD


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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:23:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



thesamer@interia.pl wrote:

>Few suggests:
>
>1. Timer...showing time of solving ((2 ways - counting time then cube is on (you can close program and open again (and time between this 2 events doesn't count) or time from start solving to the end (even when you don't solve cube timer is still on)
>
>
>First is good for beginers and big cubes...
>
>Second is important in quick solving (in competition)...
>
>
Saving the start time across sessions would require changing the file
format and would allow cheating on time by purposely exiting, modifying,
and then restarting. I can see how cross-session timing could be useful
for casual users and I'm not against adding support for this but the
only version that seems to be really useful in competition is when a
solution occurs in a single session. Note also that even if the log file
timestamp is impossible to hack, users could still cause the program to
not count a long period of thought between 2 twists by exiting the
program and planning their next twist by studying a screenshot before
restarting.

BTW, I'm not sure where to display the time elapsed. The obvious
solution is an overlay in a corner of the 3D display something like your
gabbasoft puzzle does but do you think it might be distracting to see
the seconds ticking away in the display? It could easily be hidden
somewhere or displayed via a tooltip while hovering the mouse pointer
over some UI element.

>2. SHOW THE NUMBER Of TWISTS during the solving (i mean twist, not moves...)
>
>
Definitely. Rotations do not count.

>
>I send link to http://gabbasoft.com/ where you can download program with cubes from 2^3 to 20^3 (it has timer and counter)
>
>-------------------------------------------
>Some time ago I also reported :
>
>-make linux version SLOWER...(5x5x5x5 has good tempo ...but 2x2x2x2 is crazy...just like looking on changing snapshots)
>
>
This and all sorts of other user preferences should be relatively easy
to support in a Java version.

>-Could I ask about puting more options to the program instead comannd line options ?
>
>
I would like to support both. I.E. persistent user preferences which can
be overridden with command-line options. I already have the code to
handle this sort of thing.

>- I would be very happy to see all axis with the same flexibility (I need this when I'm doing quick solve with macros)
>
>The lack of moving z-axis is really annoying (i like windows version...
>
>
The new version will likely support the current Windows screen rotations.

>- there are problems with making macros which starts from middle slices (or using two slices)
>
>
Don will need to comment on macro support.

>And the last:
>
>other cubes and macros in windows version
>
>
I'd initially intended to support other cubes in the Windows version but
ran into some mysterious and fatal bug when attempting to use it so I
took it out.

-Melinda




From: Don Hatch <hatch@plunk.org>
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:11:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] I'm back!



On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:23:03PM -0700, Melinda Green wrote:
> thesamer@interia.pl wrote:
>
> >Few suggests:
> >
> >-------------------------------------------
> >Some time ago I also reported :
> >
> >-make linux version SLOWER...(5x5x5x5 has good tempo ...but 2x2x2x2 is crazy...just like looking on changing snapshots)

The documentation describes 3 ways of slowing it down, I think.

> >
> >
> This and all sorts of other user preferences should be relatively easy
> to support in a Java version.
>
> >-Could I ask about puting more options to the program instead comannd line options ?
> >
> >
> I would like to support both. I.E. persistent user preferences which can
> be overridden with command-line options. I already have the code to
> handle this sort of thing.
>
> >- I would be very happy to see all axis with the same flexibility (I need this when I'm doing quick solve with macros)
> >
> >The lack of moving z-axis is really annoying (i like windows version...
> >
> >
> The new version will likely support the current Windows screen rotations.

I hope this will be optional... I dislike the moving z axis as much as y'all dislike
the non-moving one.

>
> >- there are problems with making macros which starts from middle slices (or using two slices)
> >
> >
> Don will need to comment on macro support.

Hmm, I'm trying it right now and sometimes, but not always,
when I get to the "Enter the moves of the macro" part,
it doesn't seem to recognize the number keys...
until I move the window a bit; then it always recognizes them after
that. Is that the bug you are talking about?

Don

--
Don Hatch
hatch@plunk.org
http://www.plunk.org/~hatch/





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