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I want to suggest and I will be insisting on creating the "time competition=
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With first prepeard macros and 30 sec.of preinspection time I manage to sol=
ve 3x3x3x3 in:
1h 27 min 13 sek =3D 87min 13 sek ;))))
I need two more macros one for 2C pieces and one for 4C pieces and I thing =
I'm able to solve 3^4 under the one hour.=20
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I know that will be unoficial ranking and hard to check this.
There must be some kind of renormalization insolving hypercubes on time. Fo=
r example condicion I had: macros done before, 30 sec. to look on cube befo=
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It could be very intersting category !!!=20
Ps. I really want to know how quick can others solve hypercubes...
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A good way to hold a competition would be the following:
Ask competitors to have their macros ready, and meet online at a preset tim=
e.
Judges prepare a single randomized puzzle file, and publish it for
download at time X.
Everyone downloads the baseline puzzle, and they upload their solution
as soon as they are done. (the smart ones will have the upload form
prefilled out to reduce the impact of getting the file uploaded on
their clock time)
The logs of when the solutions are uploaded can be used to determine
the solution time for each competitor. The judges then error-check the
uploads, make sure they are solved states that backtrack to a state
congruent to the baseline puzzle.
One single competitor could partake of such a setup simply to establish a t=
ime.
Many of the judges' responsibilities could be automated with CGI. Then
the competitions could become self-serve.
Lemme know what you think. :)
On 29/07/05, thesamer
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> I want to suggest and I will be insisting on creating the "time
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> I'm able to solve 3^4 under the one hour.=20
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> I know that will be unoficial ranking and hard to check this.=20
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> It could be very intersting category !!!=20
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I like the idea. You seem to have thought this out very well. I don't
know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people
commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the
1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving contest?
-Melinda
Jesse Thompson wrote:
>A good way to hold a competition would be the following:
>
>Ask competitors to have their macros ready, and meet online at a preset time.
>Judges prepare a single randomized puzzle file, and publish it for
>download at time X.
>
>Everyone downloads the baseline puzzle, and they upload their solution
>as soon as they are done. (the smart ones will have the upload form
>prefilled out to reduce the impact of getting the file uploaded on
>their clock time)
>
>The logs of when the solutions are uploaded can be used to determine
>the solution time for each competitor. The judges then error-check the
>uploads, make sure they are solved states that backtrack to a state
>congruent to the baseline puzzle.
>
>One single competitor could partake of such a setup simply to establish a time.
>
>Many of the judges' responsibilities could be automated with CGI. Then
>the competitions could become self-serve.
>
>Lemme know what you think. :)
>
>
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know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people=
=20
commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the=20
1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving contest=
?
-Melinda
I do! ;)
But first I must do internet on my linux...I hope there will be no problem.=
..
May I suggest some kind of comunictator (IRQ, chat-room, something like tha=
t..) to cooridnate the whole competition...
And one more thing...Nummber of macros. Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
What about the time of maiking this competition? We are on different contin=
ets ;)
What do you think?
Remigiusz Durka
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thesamer wrote:
> I like the idea. You seem to have thought this out very well. I don't
> know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people
> commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the
> 1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving contest?
>
> -Melinda
>
>
>I do! ;)
>
>
I thought I could count on you!
>But first I must do internet on my linux...I hope there will be no problem...
>
>
Not if you hurry up. I wouldn't want you to miss the contest that you
started! ;-)
>May I suggest some kind of comunictator (IRQ, chat-room, something like that..) to cooridnate the whole competition...
>
>
That would probably work but I do like Jesse's suggestion of posting the
scrambled log on the yahoo group site and having solvers upload their
solutions. One nice thing about that is that we can create folders for
each competition which is then self-archiving.
>And one more thing...Nummber of macros. Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
>
>
If we allow macros then I don't see a good reason to limit them. I keep
expecting to see someone build one master macro that uses macros that
use macros which can solve an entire puzzle in a single shot. It'd still
make for an interesting competition to see how fast people could set up
such a complicated macro though
I should note that I won't consider any speed records to be "official"
in the same sense as the other categories since lots of issues such as
the above would still need to be worked out to make it fair and
meaningful. Still I am happy to support some fun events and to publish
the results.
>What about the time of maiking this competition? We are on different continets ;)
>
>What do you think?
>
I think it doesn't matter when we hold the contest because you guys
don't seem to mind working for days without a break!! ;-)
Seriously though I expect we just need to find a time and date that's
good for everyone.
So see if you can scare up a couple more participants. People can just
email me directly with their preferred dates and times in GMT and then
when and if we go ahead, I'll post the information here in case anyone
else wants to jump in at the last minute. It's too bad that we can't
monitor everyone's progress in a split-screen display. Perhaps in the
next release. (yeah, right!)
-Melinda
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Just a thought. I would be prepared to play this game, if only as an
also-ran to give serous contenders a forum for their virtuosity. However, it
would have to be without macros as I cannot any longer go online in Linux
(since I installed a new router). I suspect that one reason 43 people have
solved the 3^4 and only 6 the 4^4 is that for better or worse Windows
remains the most popular OS and many non-purists are perfectly happy with
it. It would be a shame to exclude the many keen puzzlers who are limited by
this. I downloaded Knoppix so I could solve the 4^4 but I have no real
interest in learning more about Linux or configuring my network for it (it
was quite a challenge just to send you my 4^4 log, Melinda).
I have no strong feelings about this and will follow the competition with
interest however it is organised. But maybe I am not the only one who could
not take part on an equal footing unless it were conducted in a format that
Windows users could participate in.
Guy Padfield
PS - I got to the finals of the (UK) Times National Cryptic Crossword
Competition once. It was quite humbling to see the real masters polish off
the grids in 3 or 4 minutes when I only completed two of the four puzzles
within the half hour allowed for each. Some of us weren't designed to be
speed merchants.
_____
From: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Melinda Green
Sent: 04 August 2005 19:59
To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MC4D] HyperSPEEDsolving !!!
thesamer wrote:
> I like the idea. You seem to have thought this out very well. I don't
> know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people
> commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the
> 1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving
contest?
>
> -Melinda
>
>
>I do! ;)
>
>
I thought I could count on you!
>But first I must do internet on my linux...I hope there will be no
problem...
>
>
Not if you hurry up. I wouldn't want you to miss the contest that you
started! ;-)
>May I suggest some kind of comunictator (IRQ, chat-room, something like
that..) to cooridnate the whole competition...
>
>
That would probably work but I do like Jesse's suggestion of posting the
scrambled log on the yahoo group site and having solvers upload their
solutions. One nice thing about that is that we can create folders for
each competition which is then self-archiving.
>And one more thing...Nummber of macros. Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
>
>
If we allow macros then I don't see a good reason to limit them. I keep
expecting to see someone build one master macro that uses macros that
use macros which can solve an entire puzzle in a single shot. It'd still
make for an interesting competition to see how fast people could set up
such a complicated macro though
I should note that I won't consider any speed records to be "official"
in the same sense as the other categories since lots of issues such as
the above would still need to be worked out to make it fair and
meaningful. Still I am happy to support some fun events and to publish
the results.
>What about the time of maiking this competition? We are on different
continets ;)
>
>What do you think?
>
I think it doesn't matter when we hold the contest because you guys
don't seem to mind working for days without a break!! ;-)
Seriously though I expect we just need to find a time and date that's
good for everyone.
So see if you can scare up a couple more participants. People can just
email me directly with their preferred dates and times in GMT and then
when and if we go ahead, I'll post the information here in case anyone
else wants to jump in at the last minute. It's too bad that we can't
monitor everyone's progress in a split-screen display. Perhaps in the
next release. (yeah, right!)
-Melinda
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To:
Subject: Re: [MC4D]
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> I like the idea. You seem to have
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> commit to being in the competitio=
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then I'll offer to at least run the
> 1st one. So who wants to be in th=
e 1st
ever 4D cube speed solving contest?
>
> -Melinda
>
>
>I do! ;)
>
>
I thought I could count on you!<=
br>
>But first I must do internet on my linux=
...I
hope there will be no problem...
>
>
Not if you hurry up. I wouldn't want you to =
miss
the contest that you
started! ;-)
>May I suggest some kind of comunictator =
(IRQ,
chat-room, something like that..) to cooridnate the whole competition...ont>
>
>
That would probably work but I do like Jesse=
's
suggestion of posting the
scrambled log on the yahoo group site and ha=
ving
solvers upload their
solutions. One nice thing about that is that=
we
can create folders for
each competition which is then self-archivin=
g.
>And one more thing...Nummber of macros.
Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
>
>
If we allow macros then I don't see a good r=
eason
to limit them. I keep
expecting to see someone build one master ma=
cro
that uses macros that
use macros which can solve an entire puzzle =
in a
single shot. It'd still
make for an interesting competition to see h=
ow
fast people could set up
such a complicated macro though<=
br>
I should note that I won't consider any spee=
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records to be "official"
in the same sense as the other categories si=
nce
lots of issues such as
the above would still need to be worked out =
to
make it fair and
meaningful. Still I am happy to support some=
fun
events and to publish
the results.
>What about the time of maiking this
competition? We are on different continets ;)
>
>What do you think?
>
I think it doesn't matter when we hold the c=
ontest
because you guys
don't seem to mind working for days without =
a
break!! ;-)
Seriously though I expect we just need to fi=
nd a
time and date that's
good for everyone.
So see if you can scare up a couple more
participants. People can just
email me directly with their preferred dates=
and
times in GMT and then
when and if we go ahead, I'll post the infor=
mation
here in case anyone
else wants to jump in at the last minute.&nb=
sp;
It's too bad that we can't
monitor everyone's progress in a split-scree=
n
display. Perhaps in the
next release. (yeah, right!)
-Melinda
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Well, it definitely makes sense to support no-macro contestants if there
are enough people who want to try. I'll therefore plan to support 2
categories: with and without macros. Anyone can enter in either
category, but I'll only consider a category to be a competition if it
has at least 3 participants. If anyone wants to try for both then we can
hold them separately, otherwise everyone gets the same puzzle to solve
and we'll have winners for each category that we have sufficient
participation.
If you're interested, please send me privately which category(s) you
want to compete in as well as your prefered dates and times in GMT and
we'll see what we get.
-Melinda
Guy Padfield wrote:
>Just a thought. I would be prepared to play this game, if only as an
>also-ran to give serous contenders a forum for their virtuosity. However, it
>would have to be without macros as I cannot any longer go online in Linux
>(since I installed a new router). I suspect that one reason 43 people have
>solved the 3^4 and only 6 the 4^4 is that for better or worse Windows
>remains the most popular OS and many non-purists are perfectly happy with
>it. It would be a shame to exclude the many keen puzzlers who are limited by
>this. I downloaded Knoppix so I could solve the 4^4 but I have no real
>interest in learning more about Linux or configuring my network for it (it
>was quite a challenge just to send you my 4^4 log, Melinda).
>
>
>
>I have no strong feelings about this and will follow the competition with
>interest however it is organised. But maybe I am not the only one who could
>not take part on an equal footing unless it were conducted in a format that
>Windows users could participate in.
>
>
>
>Guy Padfield
>
>
>
>PS - I got to the finals of the (UK) Times National Cryptic Crossword
>Competition once. It was quite humbling to see the real masters polish off
>the grids in 3 or 4 minutes when I only completed two of the four puzzles
>within the half hour allowed for each. Some of us weren't designed to be
>speed merchants.
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Melinda Green
>Sent: 04 August 2005 19:59
>To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MC4D] HyperSPEEDsolving !!!
>
>
>
>thesamer wrote:
>
>
>
>> I like the idea. You seem to have thought this out very well. I don't
>> know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people
>> commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the
>> 1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving
>>
>>
>contest?
>
>
>> -Melinda
>>
>>
>>I do! ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I thought I could count on you!
>
>
>
>>But first I must do internet on my linux...I hope there will be no
>>
>>
>problem...
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Not if you hurry up. I wouldn't want you to miss the contest that you
>started! ;-)
>
>
>
>>May I suggest some kind of comunictator (IRQ, chat-room, something like
>>
>>
>that..) to cooridnate the whole competition...
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>That would probably work but I do like Jesse's suggestion of posting the
>scrambled log on the yahoo group site and having solvers upload their
>solutions. One nice thing about that is that we can create folders for
>each competition which is then self-archiving.
>
>
>
>>And one more thing...Nummber of macros. Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>If we allow macros then I don't see a good reason to limit them. I keep
>expecting to see someone build one master macro that uses macros that
>use macros which can solve an entire puzzle in a single shot. It'd still
>make for an interesting competition to see how fast people could set up
>such a complicated macro though
>
>I should note that I won't consider any speed records to be "official"
>in the same sense as the other categories since lots of issues such as
>the above would still need to be worked out to make it fair and
>meaningful. Still I am happy to support some fun events and to publish
>the results.
>
>
>
>>What about the time of maiking this competition? We are on different
>>
>>
>continets ;)
>
>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>I think it doesn't matter when we hold the contest because you guys
>don't seem to mind working for days without a break!! ;-)
>Seriously though I expect we just need to find a time and date that's
>good for everyone.
>
>So see if you can scare up a couple more participants. People can just
>email me directly with their preferred dates and times in GMT and then
>when and if we go ahead, I'll post the information here in case anyone
>else wants to jump in at the last minute. It's too bad that we can't
>monitor everyone's progress in a split-screen display. Perhaps in the
>next release. (yeah, right!)
>
>-Melinda
>
>
>
> _____
>
>YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>
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Well, it definitely makes sense to support no-macro contestants if
there are enough people who want to try. I'll therefore plan to support
2 categories: with and without macros. Anyone can enter in either
category, but I'll only consider a category to be a competition if it
has at least 3 participants. If anyone wants to try for both then we
can hold them separately, otherwise everyone gets the same puzzle to
solve and we'll have winners for each category that we have sufficient
participation.
If you're interested, please send me privately which category(s) you
want to compete in as well as your prefered dates and times in GMT and
we'll see what we get.
-Melinda
Guy Padfield wrote:
cite="mid42D28050003BA2B6@mail16.bluewin.ch%3E%20(added%20by%20postmaster@bluewin.ch)"
type="cite">
Just a thought. I would be prepared to play this game, if only as an
also-ran to give serous contenders a forum for their virtuosity. However, it
would have to be without macros as I cannot any longer go online in Linux
(since I installed a new router). I suspect that one reason 43 people have
solved the 3^4 and only 6 the 4^4 is that for better or worse Windows
remains the most popular OS and many non-purists are perfectly happy with
it. It would be a shame to exclude the many keen puzzlers who are limited by
this. I downloaded Knoppix so I could solve the 4^4 but I have no real
interest in learning more about Linux or configuring my network for it (it
was quite a challenge just to send you my 4^4 log, Melinda).
I have no strong feelings about this and will follow the competition with
interest however it is organised. But maybe I am not the only one who could
not take part on an equal footing unless it were conducted in a format that
Windows users could participate in.
Guy Padfield
PS - I got to the finals of the (UK) Times National Cryptic Crossword
Competition once. It was quite humbling to see the real masters polish off
the grids in 3 or 4 minutes when I only completed two of the four puzzles
within the half hour allowed for each. Some of us weren't designed to be
speed merchants.
_____
From: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Melinda Green
Sent: 04 August 2005 19:59
To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MC4D] HyperSPEEDsolving !!!
thesamer wrote:
I like the idea. You seem to have thought this out very well. I don't
know that I would regularly judge such an event but if at least 3 people
commit to being in the competition, then I'll offer to at least run the
1st one. So who wants to be in the 1st ever 4D cube speed solving
contest?
-Melinda
I do! ;)
I thought I could count on you!
But first I must do internet on my linux...I hope there will be no
problem...
Not if you hurry up. I wouldn't want you to miss the contest that you
started! ;-)
May I suggest some kind of comunictator (IRQ, chat-room, something like
that..) to cooridnate the whole competition...
That would probably work but I do like Jesse's suggestion of posting the
scrambled log on the yahoo group site and having solvers upload their
solutions. One nice thing about that is that we can create folders for
each competition which is then self-archiving.
And one more thing...Nummber of macros. Unlimited or let's say 10 macros?
If we allow macros then I don't see a good reason to limit them. I keep
expecting to see someone build one master macro that uses macros that
use macros which can solve an entire puzzle in a single shot. It'd still
make for an interesting competition to see how fast people could set up
such a complicated macro though
I should note that I won't consider any speed records to be "official"
in the same sense as the other categories since lots of issues such as
the above would still need to be worked out to make it fair and
meaningful. Still I am happy to support some fun events and to publish
the results.
What about the time of maiking this competition? We are on different
continets ;)
What do you think?
I think it doesn't matter when we hold the contest because you guys
don't seem to mind working for days without a break!! ;-)
Seriously though I expect we just need to find a time and date that's
good for everyone.
So see if you can scare up a couple more participants. People can just
email me directly with their preferred dates and times in GMT and then
when and if we go ahead, I'll post the information here in case anyone
else wants to jump in at the last minute. It's too bad that we can't
monitor everyone's progress in a split-screen display. Perhaps in the
next release. (yeah, right!)
-Melinda
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:20:22 +0200
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