Thread: "color graph"

From: "Eduard" <baumann@mcnet.ch>
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:32:57 -0000
Subject: color graph



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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:49:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] color graph



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On 6/4/2012 8:26 PM, Roice Nelson wrote:
>
>
> I like how you laid out the graph, and how it emphasizes the special
> role of the white face :) It'd also be cool to see a presentation of
> the graph without intersections. That should be possible (embedded in
> 3D), though I guess it wouldn't be as nicely symmetrical as the one
> you made.

Any graph can be embedded in R3 without crossings. I believe that this
one can't be embedded in R2 without crossings.

>
> I searched around a little (on Google, Wikipedia, and Wolfram Alpha)
> to see if there was a special name for this graph, or for the graph
> you get after removing the red nodes, but did not have any luck. An
> interesting close call to the latter was the Grotzsch graph
> .

How does one search for a graph? That sounds super-useful!

>
> For this tiling/coloring, we have 16 faces, 30 edges, and 15 vertices,
> giving a Euler Characteristic of 1 (projective plane). Seems like a
> lot of the asymmetrical colorings end up producing that topology.

What an interesting observation, Roice!
-Melinda

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On 6/4/2012 8:26 PM, Roice Nelson wrote:
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I like how you laid out the graph, and how it emphasizes the
special role of the white face=A0:)=A0 It'd also be cool to see a
presentation of the graph without intersections.=A0 That should be
possible (embedded in 3D), though I guess it wouldn't be as
nicely symmetrical as the one you made.




Any graph can be embedded in R3 without crossings. I believe that
this one can't be embedded in R2 without crossings.



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I searched around a little (on Google, Wikipedia, and=A0Wolfram
Alpha) to see if there was a special name for this graph, or for
the graph you get after removing the red nodes, but did not have
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How does one search for a graph? That sounds super-useful!



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For this tiling/coloring, we have 16 faces, 30 edges, and 15
vertices, giving a Euler Characteristic of 1 (projective
plane).=A0 Seems like a lot of the asymmetrical colorings end up
producing that topology.




What an interesting observation, Roice!

-Melinda

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From: Jacob <tsrgaes@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:01:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [MC4D] color graph



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From: Roice Nelson <roice3@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:06:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [MC4D] color graph



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>
> Any graph can be embedded in R3 without crossings. I believe that this one
> can't be embedded in R2 without crossings.
>


ah, I hadn't considered making that general statement, but it makes perfect
sense. I think you're right about this one not being a planar
graph,
since it lives on the projective plane.

For R3 embeddings of graphs, here's something interesting that is
reminiscent of crossings. There are some graphs that must have linked
cycles when embedded. An example is the Peterson
graph,
which is the graph of a hemi-dodecahedron. No matter how you embed it, at
least two of the pentagonal faces will be linked.



> How does one search for a graph? That sounds super-useful!
>


Wolfram Alpha has an ever increasing library of graphs. Ed Pegg, Jr. of
mathpuzzle.com told me he and others are constantly extending that
database. You can search for things like "graph on 11
vertices",
and that query currently has over 500 results, names and pictures, etc. I
can't seem to search for graphs with a particular number of vertices and
edges though, which seems like a big limitation (maybe there is a way).

Googling things like "graph with 11 vertices and 20 edges" can be helpful
as well, when you're initially trying to find your way around. In the
past, those kinds of searches have led me to collections like this
one
.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are queryable databases of graphs out
there. If anyone knows of such a thing, please do share.

seeya,
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