Thread: "color graphs of MagicTiles"

Cool, thanks Ed.

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Bummer, Yahoo doesn't make this easy. When you click on items in the
'Files' section, it seems to produce links that are only valid for the
current logged in session. Links to items in the 'Photos' section seem to
work. How about the following?

- color graph ell sph 3,5
8.PNG
- color graph hyp 10,4 6
no.PNG
- color graph hyp 8,4
5.PNG

- color graph hyp 8,4
9.PNG

- color graph hyp 8,4
10.PNG


Roice


On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Eduard Baumann wrote:

> **
>
>
> Sadly the links in your e-mail don't work too.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roice Nelson
> *To:* 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MC4D] Re: color graphs of MagicTiles
>
>
>
> Cool, thanks Ed.
>
> People have had trouble with the file links before. I'm not sure why, but
> there must be some common path that results in broken links. Hopefully the
> following links to your graphs will work.
>
> - color graph ell sph 3,5 8.PNG
>
> - color graph hyp 10,4 6 no.PNG
> - color graph hyp 8,4 5.PNG
>
> - color graph hyp 8,4 9.PNG
>
> - color graph hyp 8,4 10.PNG
>
>
> It looks like you are working on dual graphs. By that I mean you made the
> faces on the puzzles vertices in the graphs. The {8,4} graphs all makes
> sense to me from that perspective, and they definitely help in studying the
> structure. Here's something interesting: turn the 5C graph on its side,
> and check out how it relates to the 10C graph. The {10,4} graph is
> intriguing too.
>
> Looking at the {3,5} 8C graph, and comparing it to the one I made, I
> think I'm following your graph, but did you make this one when looking at
> the puzzle with the default colors? What does n stand for?
>
> Roice
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Eduard Baumann wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> The links are not working in e-mail (why?).
>> Goto to the group to be able to see the links.
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Bummer, Yahoo doesn't make this easy. =A0When you click on items in the=
'Files' section, it seems to produce links that are only valid for=
the current logged in session. =A0Links to items in the 'Photos' s=
ection seem to work. =A0How about the following?

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These work. I guess we just need to remember to use the photos folder.
Looking at the graphs the 9-color only looks slightly more complicated
than its sister's. Is the difference really a proxy for difficulty? If
so, the spherical 8-color FE graph looks complex though Nan solved it in
just 59 twists. Of course we shouldn't be misled by the shortness of his
solutions, but it suggests that an edge-only version can't be very hard.
I'm also just comparing against my experience with the {8,4}s and that
is not much of a guide either but for the opposite reason that I'm a
beginner with these puzzles.

Nan & Ed, can we get your opinions on the {8,4}s?

And Roice, how about a pure edge-turning 8-color {3,5} so that I can
compare against the similar {8,4}s?

Oh, and everyone be sure to notice Roice's new "gliding" setting. It
allows you to "fling" the left-drag rotations of all puzzles. A value of
0 gives the previous behavior in case you don't like it. A value of 1
rotates forever, and values between the two control the damping speed
which controls how quickly to slow the rotation to zero. Thanks, Roice!

-Melinda

On 6/2/2012 2:48 PM, Roice Nelson wrote:
>
>
> Bummer, Yahoo doesn't make this easy. When you click on items in the
> 'Files' section, it seems to produce links that are only valid for the
> current logged in session. Links to items in the 'Photos' section
> seem to work. How about the following?
>
> * color graph ell sph 3,5 8.PNG
>
> * color graph hyp 10,4 6 no.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 5.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 9.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 10.PNG
>
>
>
> Roice
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Eduard Baumann > > wrote:
>
>
>
> Sadly the links in your e-mail don't work too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roice Nelson
> *To:* 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MC4D] Re: color graphs of MagicTiles
>
> Cool, thanks Ed.
>
>
> People have had trouble with the file links before. I'm not
> sure why, but there must be some common path that results in
> broken links. Hopefully the following links to your graphs
> will work.
>
> * color graph ell sph 3,5 8.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 10,4 6 no.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 5.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 9.PNG
>
>
> * color graph hyp 8,4 10.PNG
>
>
>
> It looks like you are working on dual graphs. By that I mean
> you made the faces on the puzzles vertices in the graphs. The
> {8,4} graphs all makes sense to me from that perspective, and
> they definitely help in studying the structure. Here's
> something interesting: turn the 5C graph on its side, and
> check out how it relates to the 10C graph. The {10,4} graph
> is intriguing too.
>
> Looking at the {3,5} 8C graph, and comparing it to the one I
> made
> , I
> think I'm following your graph, but did you make this one when
> looking at the puzzle with the default colors? What does n
> stand for?
>
> Roice
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Eduard Baumann
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> The links are not working in e-mail (why?).
> Goto to the group to be able to see the links.
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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These work. I guess we just need to remember to use the photos
folder.

Looking at the graphs the 9-color only looks slightly more
complicated than its sister's. Is the difference really a proxy for
difficulty? If so, the spherical 8-color FE graph looks complex
though Nan solved it in just 59 twists. Of course we shouldn't be
misled by the shortness of his solutions, but it suggests that an
edge-only version can't be very hard. I'm also just comparing
against my experience with the {8,4}s and that is not much of a
guide either but for the opposite reason that I'm a beginner with
these puzzles.



Nan & Ed, can we get your opinions on the {8,4}s?



And Roice, how about a pure edge-turning 8-color {3,5} so that I can
compare against the similar {8,4}s?



Oh, and everyone be sure to notice Roice's new "gliding" setting. It
allows you to "fling" the left-drag rotations of all puzzles. A
value of 0 gives the previous behavior in case you don't like it. A
value of 1 rotates forever, and values between the two control the
damping speed which controls how quickly to slow the rotation to
zero. Thanks, Roice!



-Melinda



On 6/2/2012 2:48 PM, Roice Nelson wrote:
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Bummer, Yahoo doesn't make this easy.  When you click on items in
the 'Files' section, it seems to produce links that are only valid
for the current logged in session.  Links to items in the 'Photos'
section seem to work.  How about the following?

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Melinda: I tried one {8,4} and saw the difficulties. I have not yet continu=
ed my effort.

Roice: photos folder okay.

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From: Melinda Green=20
To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: color graphs of MagicTiles


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These work. I guess we just need to remember to use the photos folder.
Looking at the graphs the 9-color only looks slightly more complicated th=
an its sister's. Is the difference really a proxy for difficulty? If so, th=
e spherical 8-color FE graph looks complex though Nan solved it in just 59 =
twists. Of course we shouldn't be misled by the shortness of his solutions,=
but it suggests that an edge-only version can't be very hard. I'm also jus=
t comparing against my experience with the {8,4}s and that is not much of a=
guide either but for the opposite reason that I'm a beginner with these pu=
zzles.

Nan & Ed, can we get your opinions on the {8,4}s?

And Roice, how about a pure edge-turning 8-color {3,5} so that I can comp=
are against the similar {8,4}s?

Oh, and everyone be sure to notice Roice's new "gliding" setting. It allo=
ws you to "fling" the left-drag rotations of all puzzles. A value of 0 give=
s the previous behavior in case you don't like it. A value of 1 rotates for=
ever, and values between the two control the damping speed which controls h=
ow quickly to slow the rotation to zero. Thanks, Roice!

-Melinda

On 6/2/2012 2:48 PM, Roice Nelson wrote:=20

Bummer, Yahoo doesn't make this easy. When you click on items in the '=
Files' section, it seems to produce links that are only valid for the curre=
nt logged in session. Links to items in the 'Photos' section seem to work.=
How about the following?=20
a.. color graph ell sph 3,5 8.PNG=20
b.. color graph hyp 10,4 6 no.PNG=20=20=20
c.. color graph hyp 8,4 5.PNG=20=20
d.. color graph hyp 8,4 9.PNG=20=20
e.. color graph hyp 8,4 10.PNG=20=20
Roice




On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Eduard Baumann wrot=
e:




Sadly the links in your e-mail don't work too.

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roice Nelson=20
To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Re: color graphs of MagicTiles


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Cool, thanks Ed.=20



People have had trouble with the file links before. I'm not sure w=
hy, but there must be some common path that results in broken links. Hopef=
ully the following links to your graphs will work.
a.. color graph ell sph 3,5 8.PNG=20=20=20
b.. color graph hyp 10,4 6 no.PNG=20=20=20
c.. color graph hyp 8,4 5.PNG=20=20
d.. color graph hyp 8,4 9.PNG=20=20
e.. color graph hyp 8,4 10.PNG=20=20
It looks like you are working on dual graphs. By that I mean you m=
ade the faces on the puzzles vertices in the graphs. The {8,4} graphs all =
makes sense to me from that perspective, and they definitely help in studyi=
ng the structure. Here's something interesting: turn the 5C graph on its s=
ide, and check out how it relates to the 10C graph. The {10,4} graph is in=
triguing too.


Looking at the {3,5} 8C graph, and comparing it to the one I made, =
I think I'm following your graph, but did you make this one when looking at=
the puzzle with the default colors? What does n stand for?


Roice



On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Eduard Baumann w=
rote:




The links are not working in e-mail (why?).=20
Goto to the group to be able to see the links.
Ed









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