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Hello all,
=A0=A0=A0 I'm new here, and not yet sure I know what-all's going on...=A0 I=
tried a very early version of MC4D back around 1999 or so, and enjoyed it =
(couldn't solve it, but got to the point where I could at least see my way =
to reverse four quarter-turns or so, by sight).=A0 I'm a little bothered to=
find that, whereas it was a Windows .exe back then, nowadays it's a .jar..=
. but I understand why.=A0 I could also really, really use some documentati=
on.=A0 Macros?=A0 Notation?=A0 Shortcut keys?=A0 Concepts for things other =
than the plain old Cube?=A0 (I don't "get" what the other shapes are/do.)=
=A0 I've seen the video for the solution of the 5 (?) dimensional one, but =
can't even see what's going on, let alone follow the action.=A0 Can human b=
eings actually solve a thing like that?!?
=A0=A0 I also have no idea what MagicTile is, but it sounds interesting; ca=
n someone give me a link to where I can get it?
=A0=A0 Cheers,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Chris Chiesa
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| top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Hello all, I'm new = here, and not yet sure I know what-all's going on... I tried a very e= arly version of MC4D back around 1999 or so, and enjoyed it (couldn't solve= it, but got to the point where I could at least see my way to reverse four= quarter-turns or so, by sight). I'm a little bothered to find that, = whereas it was a Windows .exe back then, nowadays it's a .jar... but I unde= rstand why. I could also really, really use some documentation. = Macros? Notation? Shortcut keys? Concepts for things oth= er than the plain old Cube? (I don't "get" what the other shapes are/= do.) I've seen the video for the solution of the 5 (?) dimensional on= e, but can't even see what's going on, let alone follow the action. C= an human beings actually solve a thing like that?!? I a= lso have no idea what MagicTile is, but it sounds interesting; can someone giv= e me a link to where I can get it? Cheers, = ; Chris Chiesa |
| gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit">Hello all, =A0=A0=A0 I'm new h= ere, and not yet sure I know what-all's going on...=A0 I tried a very e= arly version of MC4D back around 1999 or so, and enjoyed it (couldn't s= olve it, but got to the point where I could at least see my way to reverse = four quarter-turns or so, by sight).=A0 I'm a little bothered to find t= hat, whereas it was a Windows .exe back then, nowadays it's a .jar... b= ut I understand why.=A0 I could also really, really use some documentation.= =A0 Macros?=A0 Notation?=A0 Shortcut keys?=A0 Concepts for things other tha= n the plain old Cube?=A0 (I don't "get" what the other shapes= are/do.)=A0 I've seen the video for the solution of the 5 (?) dimensio= nal one, but can't even see what's going on, let alone follow the a= ction.=A0 Can human beings actually solve a thing like that?!? =A0=A0 I also have no idea what MagicTile is, but it sounds interesting; can someone giv= e me a link to where I can get it? =A0=A0 Cheers, =A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Chris Chiesa |
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Thanks, Roice, for the links!=A0 Looks like I could have found some of thos=
e for myself (i.e. the ones at Superluminal) if I weren't sort of "clutterb=
lind" if you know what I mean.=A0 (Can't see something right in front of my=
face, if it's surrounded by other things.=A0 It's not just Superluminal; I=
do the same thing in the pantry cupboard in my kitchen.)
All of this is very interesting to me given that I've always been intereste=
d in the general idea of "higher dimensions," and that I specifically remem=
ber reading, somewhere in my misspent youth, something to the effect that "=
human beings weren't designed / haven't evolved to think in more than four =
dimensions."=A0 Clearly, this group is proof to the contrary.=A0 A seven-di=
mensional human solution?=A0 How can somebody even THINK that way?=A0 "Yous=
e guyse oughtta be in physics, they needja."
Further bulletins as events warrant.
C
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| top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Thanks, Roice, for the links! Looks lik= e I could have found some of those for myself (i.e. the ones at Superlumina= l) if I weren't sort of "clutterblind" if you know what I mean. (Can'= t see something right in front of my face, if it's surrounded by other thin= gs. It's not just Superluminal; I do the same thing in the pantry cup= board in my kitchen.) All of this is very interesting to me given th= at I've always been interested in the general idea of "higher dimensions," = and that I specifically remember reading, somewhere in my misspent youth, s= omething to the effect that "human beings weren't designed / haven't evolve= d to think in more than four dimensions." Clearly, this group is proo= f to the contrary. A seven-dimensional human solution? How can = somebody even THINK that way? "Youse guyse oughtta be in physics, the= y needja." Further bulletins as events warrant. C | >
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I know *exactly* what you mean by "clutterblind". I'd never heard the term
though, so I'm glad to have it be part of my vocabulary now :)
For myself, even having solved MC5D once many years ago, I've never felt I
could really make the jump to visualizing 4D. To think about things, I'm
always a slave to dimensional
analogy
and when interacting with the puzzles, I have to do so in the most 3D way I
can (a nice part of this group's puzzle representations is that they still
allow you to interact with things in a 3D-like way). It would be great to
be able to "see" the hypercube and hypersphere in a truly 4D way though,
and I've read about people who claim they have. In my case though, I think
the John von Neumann quote better applies - "In mathematics you don't
understand things. You just get used to them."
Glad to have you as a member of 4D_Cubing!
Cheers,
Roice
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Chris Chiesa
>
>
> Thanks, Roice, for the links! Looks like I could have found some of those
> for myself (i.e. the ones at Superluminal) if I weren't sort of
> "clutterblind" if you know what I mean. (Can't see something right in
> front of my face, if it's surrounded by other things. It's not just
> Superluminal; I do the same thing in the pantry cupboard in my kitchen.)
>
> All of this is very interesting to me given that I've always been
> interested in the general idea of "higher dimensions," and that I
> specifically remember reading, somewhere in my misspent youth, something to
> the effect that "human beings weren't designed / haven't evolved to think
> in more than four dimensions." Clearly, this group is proof to the
> contrary. A seven-dimensional human solution? How can somebody even THINK
> that way? "Youse guyse oughtta be in physics, they needja."
>
> Further bulletins as events warrant.
>
> C
>
>
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I'd never heard the term though, so I'm glad to have it be part of =
my vocabulary now :)
MC5D once many years ago, I've never felt=A0I could really=A0make the =
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t;see" the hypercube and hypersphere in a truly 4D way though, and I&#=
39;ve read about people who claim they have.=A0 In my case though, I think =
the John von Neumann quote better applies -=A0"In mathematics you don&=
#39;t understand things.=A0You just get used to them."
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top">Thanks, Roice, for the links!=A0 Looks like I could have found some of=
those for myself (i.e. the ones at Superluminal) if I weren't sort of =
"clutterblind" if you know what I mean.=A0 (Can't see somethi=
ng right in front of my face, if it's surrounded by other things.=A0 It=
's not just Superluminal; I do the same thing in the pantry cupboard in=
my kitchen.)
All of this is very interesting to me given that I've always been i=
nterested in the general idea of "higher dimensions," and that I =
specifically remember reading, somewhere in my misspent youth, something to=
the effect that "human beings weren't designed / haven't evol=
ved to think in more than four dimensions."=A0 Clearly, this group is =
proof to the contrary.=A0 A seven-dimensional human solution?=A0 How can so=
mebody even THINK that way?=A0 "Youse guyse oughtta be in physics, the=
y
needja."
Further bulletins as events warrant.
C
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