Thread: "24-cell FT solved!"

Hi guys,

I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found here:



This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 min. I'll p=
robably write about my experience later today.=20

Nan

Roice,
yes, MPUlt can support {5}^3 triaprism. It has 15 cells, 363 stickers in =
each. It took some time to code it, and result was satisfactory, but I'm no=
t sure that it can be solved in this interface. I'll include it (and {3}^3)=
in the next version of program. Unfortunately, there still will be no macr=
os in 6D :(

BTW, I also created some puzzles based on 48-cell (bitruncated 24-cell) -=
one is cell-turning and two vertex-turning ;) (with different cutting leve=
ls). And tried some strange thing with tesseract symmetry - 32-cell: each i=
ts cell contain some 1D edge of the tesseract. All cells are identical - th=
ey are duals to 3-prism, but I haven't checked what types of vertices this =
body has.

Andrey

>=20
> I bet some 6D triaprisms would h=
ave
> 3 distinct sets. Maybe your program can even support them? Triaprisms c=
ame
> up in discussion
> some time
> ago, but I never imagined we'd have the possibility to actually
> see them. Something like the {5}x{5}x{5} might be a neat next puzzle for
> MPUlt, though like the {3,3}^2, I know I'd never solve it! It would stil=
l
> be entertaining to admire the object.
>=20
> seeya,
> Roice
>

Congratulations, Nan!
The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy hearing
your story.
-Melinda

On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found here:
>
>
>
> This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 min. I'll probably write about my experience later today.
>
> Nan

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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Andrey wrote:

> BTW, I also created some puzzles based on 48-cell (bitruncated 24-cell) -
> one is cell-turning and two vertex-turning ;) (with different cutting
> levels). And tried some strange thing with tesseract symmetry - 32-cell:
> each its cell contain some 1D edge of the tesseract. All cells are identical
> - they are duals to 3-prism, but I haven't checked what types of vertices
> this body has.


Very cool - I look forward to seeing those (and the triaprism)! The
rectified 24-cell would be cool too, though I see in wiki it has two
different types of cells (cubes and cuboctahedra). Is that something that
is supported, or is it required that all cells be identical right now? I
could see multiple cell types making things more difficult programming-wise.
I've felt it would be nice to support at some point in MagicTile and
have given it some thought, though it will require more.

And Nan, awesome to hear you got the 24-cell solved too!

Roice

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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Andrey <ilto:andreyastrelin@yahoo.com">andreyastrelin@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:

Hi,

Let me tell the story of solving the 24-cell. Everybody knows that 24-cell =
is much sexier than 16-cell. So after solving the 16-cell, I looked at the =
24-cell. There are only five types of pieces to solve in the 24-cell, compa=
red with eight types for the 16-cell. The 3-cycle algorithms are similar to=
the counterparts for the 16-cell. So it didn't take long to find them. Unl=
ike the 16-cell, I prepared many different rotation algorithms to fix the o=
rientations of corners and edges, so that whenever I need any of them, I ca=
n directly pull it off the shelf without thinking. I don't want to go into =
details because that would spoil the fun to those who wanna analyze it by t=
hemselves.

After I prepared all the algorithms, I still don't know if I can face the m=
ain difficulty of the 24-cell. The main difficulty is, of course, there are=
too many colors. This time I use shift+left, shift+right a lot. Basically =
I'm using them to find pieces. I never trust my color identification abilit=
y because there are too many close colors. I only claim two pieces have the=
same color when they are highlighted at the same time when I use shift+rig=
ht. In the beginning I wasn't sure if I could really handle 24 colors. So I=
used the first step, the face centers, as a test for me. The face centers =
don't need complicated algorithms. Finding pieces of certain color is every=
thing. I started the solve on Friday afternoon, when I finished the work I =
had to do for the week. I solved all the face centers intuitively. It meant=
that I could handle the colors.=20

After dinner I resumed the solve from about 9pm. By 2am, I solved all the p=
ieces except for the side-face pieces. I thought I should go on to finish i=
t, if the side-face pieces could be solved quickly. Then I used a stopwatch=
to time myself on solving one such piece. In that trial I was nervous and =
it took me 40 seconds to spot the colors, find the place it should go (usin=
g shift+right), setup, call the macro and reverse setup. A simple calculati=
on told me that I needed three more hours for all the pieces. So I gave up =
and went to bed. On Saturday I got up earlier than in weekdays and indeed s=
pent three more hours to finish it.

This one is my longest solve to date. There are six hundred pieces or so an=
d I can use macros. I really don't know how someone can solve the 120-cell =
without macros.

Nan

--- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Nan!
> The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy hearing=20
> your story.
> -Melinda
>=20
> On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found here:
> >
> >
> >
> > This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 min. I'=
ll probably write about my experience later today.
> >
> > Nan
>

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Congrats Nan,

I knew I wasn't gonna be fast enough to be the first one done, but I do hav=
e
about 50% done and all algorithms ready. Having just got out of a
particularly difficult year of college (junior math/engineer double), I've
been having trouble dedicating enough time to sitting here nd solving it ;)

Perhaps I can beat you in moves? ;) How many was yours?


As for the 120Cell, as I mentioned before, I believe it took me roughly 150
hours, based on some random samples of how quickly I was solving pieces on
average. I only used 2 permutation algorithms, very similar to eachother,
and of only 8 and 12 moves and after doing them a couple of times, they
easily become memorized. The actual process of clicking through the moves o=
f
these algorithms only took me about 16 seconds for the short one and about
30 seconds for the second. Although I never memorized setup moves, it was
simple enough to abuse the undo feature to see exactly what setup moves I
used and remember them for the 10 seconds it took to redo back to the end o=
f
the current solve. So my point here is that having the macros isn't as big
of a handicap as you may think. In fact, I've barely used any macros so far
in my 24Cell solve. Especially in the beginning, they actually really hurt
your flexibility in move count and setups.

Congratulations again on the solve. You have too much free time and
dedicaton!!! :D
Hopefully I'll be able to finish my solve and provide some great competitio=
n
for lowest move count ;)

-Matt Galla

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:07 AM, schuma wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Let me tell the story of solving the 24-cell. Everybody knows that 24-cel=
l
> is much sexier than 16-cell. So after solving the 16-cell, I looked at th=
e
> 24-cell. There are only five types of pieces to solve in the 24-cell,
> compared with eight types for the 16-cell. The 3-cycle algorithms are
> similar to the counterparts for the 16-cell. So it didn't take long to fi=
nd
> them. Unlike the 16-cell, I prepared many different rotation algorithms t=
o
> fix the orientations of corners and edges, so that whenever I need any of
> them, I can directly pull it off the shelf without thinking. I don't want=
to
> go into details because that would spoil the fun to those who wanna analy=
ze
> it by themselves.
>
> After I prepared all the algorithms, I still don't know if I can face the
> main difficulty of the 24-cell. The main difficulty is, of course, there =
are
> too many colors. This time I use shift+left, shift+right a lot. Basically
> I'm using them to find pieces. I never trust my color identification abil=
ity
> because there are too many close colors. I only claim two pieces have the
> same color when they are highlighted at the same time when I use
> shift+right. In the beginning I wasn't sure if I could really handle 24
> colors. So I used the first step, the face centers, as a test for me. The
> face centers don't need complicated algorithms. Finding pieces of certain
> color is everything. I started the solve on Friday afternoon, when I
> finished the work I had to do for the week. I solved all the face centers
> intuitively. It meant that I could handle the colors.
>
> After dinner I resumed the solve from about 9pm. By 2am, I solved all the
> pieces except for the side-face pieces. I thought I should go on to finis=
h
> it, if the side-face pieces could be solved quickly. Then I used a stopwa=
tch
> to time myself on solving one such piece. In that trial I was nervous and=
it
> took me 40 seconds to spot the colors, find the place it should go (using
> shift+right), setup, call the macro and reverse setup. A simple calculati=
on
> told me that I needed three more hours for all the pieces. So I gave up a=
nd
> went to bed. On Saturday I got up earlier than in weekdays and indeed spe=
nt
> three more hours to finish it.
>
> This one is my longest solve to date. There are six hundred pieces or so
> and I can use macros. I really don't know how someone can solve the 120-c=
ell
> without macros.
>
> Nan
>
>
> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations, Nan!
> > The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy hearing
> > your story.
> > -Melinda
> >
> > On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found her=
e:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 min.
> I'll probably write about my experience later today.
> > >
> > > Nan
> >
>
>=20=20
>

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Hi Matt,

My move count was 54199. I know there's a big room to improve. My way of
separating permutations from orientations does incur large move counts. So,
good luck on a shortest move solve!

Nan

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Matthew Galla wrote:

>
>
> Congrats Nan,
>
> I knew I wasn't gonna be fast enough to be the first one done, but I do
> have about 50% done and all algorithms ready. Having just got out of a
> particularly difficult year of college (junior math/engineer double), I'v=
e
> been having trouble dedicating enough time to sitting here nd solving it =
;)
>
> Perhaps I can beat you in moves? ;) How many was yours?
>
>
> As for the 120Cell, as I mentioned before, I believe it took me roughly 1=
50
> hours, based on some random samples of how quickly I was solving pieces o=
n
> average. I only used 2 permutation algorithms, very similar to eachother,
> and of only 8 and 12 moves and after doing them a couple of times, they
> easily become memorized. The actual process of clicking through the moves=
of
> these algorithms only took me about 16 seconds for the short one and abou=
t
> 30 seconds for the second. Although I never memorized setup moves, it was
> simple enough to abuse the undo feature to see exactly what setup moves I
> used and remember them for the 10 seconds it took to redo back to the end=
of
> the current solve. So my point here is that having the macros isn't as bi=
g
> of a handicap as you may think. In fact, I've barely used any macros so f=
ar
> in my 24Cell solve. Especially in the beginning, they actually really hur=
t
> your flexibility in move count and setups.
>
> Congratulations again on the solve. You have too much free time and
> dedicaton!!! :D
> Hopefully I'll be able to finish my solve and provide some great
> competition for lowest move count ;)
>
> -Matt Galla
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:07 AM, schuma wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let me tell the story of solving the 24-cell. Everybody knows that 24-ce=
ll
>> is much sexier than 16-cell. So after solving the 16-cell, I looked at t=
he
>> 24-cell. There are only five types of pieces to solve in the 24-cell,
>> compared with eight types for the 16-cell. The 3-cycle algorithms are
>> similar to the counterparts for the 16-cell. So it didn't take long to f=
ind
>> them. Unlike the 16-cell, I prepared many different rotation algorithms =
to
>> fix the orientations of corners and edges, so that whenever I need any o=
f
>> them, I can directly pull it off the shelf without thinking. I don't wan=
t to
>> go into details because that would spoil the fun to those who wanna anal=
yze
>> it by themselves.
>>
>> After I prepared all the algorithms, I still don't know if I can face th=
e
>> main difficulty of the 24-cell. The main difficulty is, of course, there=
are
>> too many colors. This time I use shift+left, shift+right a lot. Basicall=
y
>> I'm using them to find pieces. I never trust my color identification abi=
lity
>> because there are too many close colors. I only claim two pieces have th=
e
>> same color when they are highlighted at the same time when I use
>> shift+right. In the beginning I wasn't sure if I could really handle 24
>> colors. So I used the first step, the face centers, as a test for me. Th=
e
>> face centers don't need complicated algorithms. Finding pieces of certai=
n
>> color is everything. I started the solve on Friday afternoon, when I
>> finished the work I had to do for the week. I solved all the face center=
s
>> intuitively. It meant that I could handle the colors.
>>
>> After dinner I resumed the solve from about 9pm. By 2am, I solved all th=
e
>> pieces except for the side-face pieces. I thought I should go on to fini=
sh
>> it, if the side-face pieces could be solved quickly. Then I used a stopw=
atch
>> to time myself on solving one such piece. In that trial I was nervous an=
d it
>> took me 40 seconds to spot the colors, find the place it should go (usin=
g
>> shift+right), setup, call the macro and reverse setup. A simple calculat=
ion
>> told me that I needed three more hours for all the pieces. So I gave up =
and
>> went to bed. On Saturday I got up earlier than in weekdays and indeed sp=
ent
>> three more hours to finish it.
>>
>> This one is my longest solve to date. There are six hundred pieces or so
>> and I can use macros. I really don't know how someone can solve the 120-=
cell
>> without macros.
>>
>> Nan
>>
>>
>> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green wrote:
>> >
>> > Congratulations, Nan!
>> > The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy hearin=
g
>> > your story.
>> > -Melinda
>> >
>> > On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found
>> here:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 min.
>> I'll probably write about my experience later today.
>> > >
>> > > Nan
>> >
>>
>>
>=20=20
>

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Hi Matt,

My move count was 54199. I know there's a big room to i=
mprove. My way of separating permutations from orientations does incur larg=
e move counts. So, good luck on a shortest move solve!

Nan

I'm not surprised that Nan is still alone to have solved the "24cell FT" wi=
th MPUlt. I have taken a look and find that the puzzle is a lot harder to s=
olve than the 3x3x3x3.
Has Matt Galla solved it? No item in Wiki.

--- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Nan Ma wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>=20
> My move count was 54199. I know there's a big room to improve. My way of
> separating permutations from orientations does incur large move counts. S=
o,
> good luck on a shortest move solve!
>=20
> Nan
>=20
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Matthew Galla wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > Congrats Nan,
> >
> > I knew I wasn't gonna be fast enough to be the first one done, but I do
> > have about 50% done and all algorithms ready. Having just got out of a
> > particularly difficult year of college (junior math/engineer double), I=
've
> > been having trouble dedicating enough time to sitting here nd solving i=
t ;)
> >
> > Perhaps I can beat you in moves? ;) How many was yours?
> >
> >
> > As for the 120Cell, as I mentioned before, I believe it took me roughly=
150
> > hours, based on some random samples of how quickly I was solving pieces=
on
> > average. I only used 2 permutation algorithms, very similar to eachothe=
r,
> > and of only 8 and 12 moves and after doing them a couple of times, they
> > easily become memorized. The actual process of clicking through the mov=
es of
> > these algorithms only took me about 16 seconds for the short one and ab=
out
> > 30 seconds for the second. Although I never memorized setup moves, it w=
as
> > simple enough to abuse the undo feature to see exactly what setup moves=
I
> > used and remember them for the 10 seconds it took to redo back to the e=
nd of
> > the current solve. So my point here is that having the macros isn't as =
big
> > of a handicap as you may think. In fact, I've barely used any macros so=
far
> > in my 24Cell solve. Especially in the beginning, they actually really h=
urt
> > your flexibility in move count and setups.
> >
> > Congratulations again on the solve. You have too much free time and
> > dedicaton!!! :D
> > Hopefully I'll be able to finish my solve and provide some great
> > competition for lowest move count ;)
> >
> > -Matt Galla
> >
> > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:07 AM, schuma wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Let me tell the story of solving the 24-cell. Everybody knows that 24-=
cell
> >> is much sexier than 16-cell. So after solving the 16-cell, I looked at=
the
> >> 24-cell. There are only five types of pieces to solve in the 24-cell,
> >> compared with eight types for the 16-cell. The 3-cycle algorithms are
> >> similar to the counterparts for the 16-cell. So it didn't take long to=
find
> >> them. Unlike the 16-cell, I prepared many different rotation algorithm=
s to
> >> fix the orientations of corners and edges, so that whenever I need any=
of
> >> them, I can directly pull it off the shelf without thinking. I don't w=
ant to
> >> go into details because that would spoil the fun to those who wanna an=
alyze
> >> it by themselves.
> >>
> >> After I prepared all the algorithms, I still don't know if I can face =
the
> >> main difficulty of the 24-cell. The main difficulty is, of course, the=
re are
> >> too many colors. This time I use shift+left, shift+right a lot. Basica=
lly
> >> I'm using them to find pieces. I never trust my color identification a=
bility
> >> because there are too many close colors. I only claim two pieces have =
the
> >> same color when they are highlighted at the same time when I use
> >> shift+right. In the beginning I wasn't sure if I could really handle 2=
4
> >> colors. So I used the first step, the face centers, as a test for me. =
The
> >> face centers don't need complicated algorithms. Finding pieces of cert=
ain
> >> color is everything. I started the solve on Friday afternoon, when I
> >> finished the work I had to do for the week. I solved all the face cent=
ers
> >> intuitively. It meant that I could handle the colors.
> >>
> >> After dinner I resumed the solve from about 9pm. By 2am, I solved all =
the
> >> pieces except for the side-face pieces. I thought I should go on to fi=
nish
> >> it, if the side-face pieces could be solved quickly. Then I used a sto=
pwatch
> >> to time myself on solving one such piece. In that trial I was nervous =
and it
> >> took me 40 seconds to spot the colors, find the place it should go (us=
ing
> >> shift+right), setup, call the macro and reverse setup. A simple calcul=
ation
> >> told me that I needed three more hours for all the pieces. So I gave u=
p and
> >> went to bed. On Saturday I got up earlier than in weekdays and indeed =
spent
> >> three more hours to finish it.
> >>
> >> This one is my longest solve to date. There are six hundred pieces or =
so
> >> and I can use macros. I really don't know how someone can solve the 12=
0-cell
> >> without macros.
> >>
> >> Nan
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Congratulations, Nan!
> >> > The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy hear=
ing
> >> > your story.
> >> > -Melinda
> >> >
> >> > On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
> >> > > Hi guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be found
> >> here:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25 mi=
n.
> >> I'll probably write about my experience later today.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nan
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >=20=20
> >
>

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Haha, no not yet. Got busy with summer research jobs and the like, plus
kinda lost a little interest when I couldn't be the first although thanks
for thinking of me. I'm sitting at around the 35-40% mark and I have all my
macros ready (for all pieces) and I have calculated and prepared for every
case so I suppose you could say I have theoretically solved it. Does that
count? :)

Perhaps later in the summer if I find time/motivation....

-Matt Galla

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Eduard wrote:

> **
>
>
> I'm not surprised that Nan is still alone to have solved the "24cell FT"
> with MPUlt. I have taken a look and find that the puzzle is a lot harder =
to
> solve than the 3x3x3x3.
> Has Matt Galla solved it? No item in Wiki.
>
>
> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Nan Ma wrote:
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > My move count was 54199. I know there's a big room to improve. My way o=
f
> > separating permutations from orientations does incur large move counts.
> So,
> > good luck on a shortest move solve!
> >
> > Nan
> >
> > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Matthew Galla wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Congrats Nan,
> > >
> > > I knew I wasn't gonna be fast enough to be the first one done, but I =
do
> > > have about 50% done and all algorithms ready. Having just got out of =
a
> > > particularly difficult year of college (junior math/engineer double),
> I've
> > > been having trouble dedicating enough time to sitting here nd solving
> it ;)
> > >
> > > Perhaps I can beat you in moves? ;) How many was yours?
> > >
> > >
> > > As for the 120Cell, as I mentioned before, I believe it took me rough=
ly
> 150
> > > hours, based on some random samples of how quickly I was solving piec=
es
> on
> > > average. I only used 2 permutation algorithms, very similar to
> eachother,
> > > and of only 8 and 12 moves and after doing them a couple of times, th=
ey
> > > easily become memorized. The actual process of clicking through the
> moves of
> > > these algorithms only took me about 16 seconds for the short one and
> about
> > > 30 seconds for the second. Although I never memorized setup moves, it
> was
> > > simple enough to abuse the undo feature to see exactly what setup mov=
es
> I
> > > used and remember them for the 10 seconds it took to redo back to the
> end of
> > > the current solve. So my point here is that having the macros isn't a=
s
> big
> > > of a handicap as you may think. In fact, I've barely used any macros =
so
> far
> > > in my 24Cell solve. Especially in the beginning, they actually really
> hurt
> > > your flexibility in move count and setups.
> > >
> > > Congratulations again on the solve. You have too much free time and
> > > dedicaton!!! :D
> > > Hopefully I'll be able to finish my solve and provide some great
> > > competition for lowest move count ;)
> > >
> > > -Matt Galla
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:07 AM, schuma wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Let me tell the story of solving the 24-cell. Everybody knows that
> 24-cell
> > >> is much sexier than 16-cell. So after solving the 16-cell, I looked =
at
> the
> > >> 24-cell. There are only five types of pieces to solve in the 24-cell=
,
> > >> compared with eight types for the 16-cell. The 3-cycle algorithms ar=
e
> > >> similar to the counterparts for the 16-cell. So it didn't take long =
to
> find
> > >> them. Unlike the 16-cell, I prepared many different rotation
> algorithms to
> > >> fix the orientations of corners and edges, so that whenever I need a=
ny
> of
> > >> them, I can directly pull it off the shelf without thinking. I don't
> want to
> > >> go into details because that would spoil the fun to those who wanna
> analyze
> > >> it by themselves.
> > >>
> > >> After I prepared all the algorithms, I still don't know if I can fac=
e
> the
> > >> main difficulty of the 24-cell. The main difficulty is, of course,
> there are
> > >> too many colors. This time I use shift+left, shift+right a lot.
> Basically
> > >> I'm using them to find pieces. I never trust my color identification
> ability
> > >> because there are too many close colors. I only claim two pieces hav=
e
> the
> > >> same color when they are highlighted at the same time when I use
> > >> shift+right. In the beginning I wasn't sure if I could really handle
> 24
> > >> colors. So I used the first step, the face centers, as a test for me=
.
> The
> > >> face centers don't need complicated algorithms. Finding pieces of
> certain
> > >> color is everything. I started the solve on Friday afternoon, when I
> > >> finished the work I had to do for the week. I solved all the face
> centers
> > >> intuitively. It meant that I could handle the colors.
> > >>
> > >> After dinner I resumed the solve from about 9pm. By 2am, I solved al=
l
> the
> > >> pieces except for the side-face pieces. I thought I should go on to
> finish
> > >> it, if the side-face pieces could be solved quickly. Then I used a
> stopwatch
> > >> to time myself on solving one such piece. In that trial I was nervou=
s
> and it
> > >> took me 40 seconds to spot the colors, find the place it should go
> (using
> > >> shift+right), setup, call the macro and reverse setup. A simple
> calculation
> > >> told me that I needed three more hours for all the pieces. So I gave
> up and
> > >> went to bed. On Saturday I got up earlier than in weekdays and indee=
d
> spent
> > >> three more hours to finish it.
> > >>
> > >> This one is my longest solve to date. There are six hundred pieces o=
r
> so
> > >> and I can use macros. I really don't know how someone can solve the
> 120-cell
> > >> without macros.
> > >>
> > >> Nan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Congratulations, Nan!
> > >> > The 24 Cell is a very unique object. I'm sure we will all enjoy
> hearing
> > >> > your story.
> > >> > -Melinda
> > >> >
> > >> > On 5/14/2011 12:13 PM, schuma wrote:
> > >> > > Hi guys,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I just solved the cell-turning 24-cell. The log file can be foun=
d
> > >> here:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is probably my longest solve ever. It took me 9 hrs and 25
> min.
> > >> I'll probably write about my experience later today.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nan
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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