Hello, everybody, I am a new member here, alegend45. And I'm planning to ma=
ke, eventually, a 9D Rubik's Cube.
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>
> Hello, everybody, I am a new member here, alegend45. And I'm planning to =
make, eventually, a 9D Rubik's Cube.
>
Hello!
The best way to make 9D is to divide dimensions to 3 groups (say, (A,B,C)=
, (D,E,F) and (G,H,I), and then make three "projections" of the cube to the=
se 3 groups. Eash projection will consist of 729=3D27*27 classic Rubik's cu=
bes 3^3, and each cubie will appear in all 3 projections. For example, 9C w=
ill appear as 3 corners (9 stickers in total), 8C - as two corners and one =
edge, and so on. Now I'm not sure about twist implementation, but it looks =
like 3-click mode will work.
Problem is that 3^9 will take more than a year to solve (if you spend 4 h=
ours every day). But 2^9 looks very possible :)
Andrey
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>
>=20
>=20
> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, "alegend45"
> >
> > Hello, everybody, I am a new member here, alegend45. And I'm planning t=
o make, eventually, a 9D Rubik's Cube.
> >
> Hello!
> The best way to make 9D is to divide dimensions to 3 groups (say, (A,B,=
C), (D,E,F) and (G,H,I), and then make three "projections" of the cube to t=
hese 3 groups. Eash projection will consist of 729=3D27*27 classic Rubik's =
cubes 3^3, and each cubie will appear in all 3 projections. For example, 9C=
will appear as 3 corners (9 stickers in total), 8C - as two corners and on=
e edge, and so on. Now I'm not sure about twist implementation, but it look=
s like 3-click mode will work.
> Problem is that 3^9 will take more than a year to solve (if you spend 4=
hours every day). But 2^9 looks very possible :)
>=20
> Andrey
>
Well, I was actually planning on doing 8 dimensions, first. Although, I DO =
need to figure out how to perspective project it.
> Well, I was actually planning on doing 8 dimensions, first. Although, I D=
O need to figure out how to perspective project it.
>
I don't see good projection for 8D. 9D looks much better
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Andrey,
The new version works a lot better. It took me a while to understand the
UI but once I did I found that it is quite usable. Like most people, I
tried to figure things out without looking for instructions so it took
me a little while to get it. The one thing that I would not have figured
out is that the user's packman always tries to go deeper into the
screen, but I remembered that from your description and now it makes
sense. It might be helpful to very briefly list the main instructions at
the bottom with a menu checkbox to toggle them on and off.
Also, I found it a little tricky to use the mouse for both scene
rotation and pause/resume but I got used to it reasonable quickly. BTW,
the Start button should switch to "Resume" once the game is paused, not
"Start". See how I did the buttons on my Tetris applet
Finally, I don't really see what is 4D or 5D about those choices other
than the fact that their graphs are similar to hypercube edges. It seems
to me that all graphs from 3D on up are all really just 3D since there
is room enough in R3 to embed any graph. Maybe in 3D the men should be
able to roam around 2D surfaces instead of 1D lines, etc.? Regardless, I
think that your 3D version may be more fun than the original 2D so I
encourage you to continue polishing it. The next thing I would love to
see would be sound effects.
Nice job!
-Melinda
On 12/29/2010 9:33 AM, Andrey wrote:
> Melinda,
> please try new version. It is in the same place: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/4D_Cubing/files/MC7D/pacman5d.zip
>
> I hope that the bug is fixed. Sometimes I see "program is stopped" dialog when close the program, but during the game everything looks ok.
>
> Andrey
>
>
> --- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green
>> It sounds like a great idea but the program doesn't work for me. :-(
>>
>> It just opens a window with some controls on the right and blank in the
>> middle and is completely unresponsive. I figured out that it was
>> unresponsive because it had created a modal error dialog saying simply
>> "Error in the application" but that dialog was behind the main window
>> which couldn't even be moved out of the way. Once I brought that dialog
>> to the front and clicked "OK", part of the main screen showed half of a
>> 3D scene in the top half but nothing in the lower part. The buttons and
>> menu items are now clickable but no inputs seem to do anything to the 3D
>> portion. What I could understand from the partial view I saw makes me
>> think that it could be fun, but that's as much as I could experience.
>>
>> -Melinda
>>
>> On 12/28/2010 6:39 AM, Andrey wrote:
>>> Enjoy:
>>>
>>> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/4D_Cubing/files/MC7D/pacman5d.zip
>>>
>>> Now there is only one stage for each dimension (from 3D to 5D), but stage description is simple enough.
>>> Couple of hints:
>>> - pacman tries to go "deep" - in the direction Z closest to the perpendicular to screen.
>>> - left-click pauses game. During pause you can reorient the field.
>>> - left-drag rotates 3D space
>>> - right-drag rotates "color" space (Z-R-G). It's difficult to use, I use it only when image is too flat.
>>> - right-click switches bases between XYZ and RGZ. Strange option, but very useful in manipulations.
>>>
>>> Andrey
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Andrey,
The new version works a lot better. It took me a while to understand
the UI but once I did I found that it is quite usable. Like most
people, I tried to figure things out without looking for
instructions so it took me a little while to get it. The one thing
that I would not have figured out is that the user's packman always
tries to go deeper into the screen, but I remembered that from your
description and now it makes sense. It might be helpful to very
briefly list the main instructions at the bottom with a menu
checkbox to toggle them on and off.
Also, I found it a little tricky to use the mouse for both scene
rotation and pause/resume but I got used to it reasonable quickly.
BTW, the Start button should switch to "Resume" once the game is
paused, not "Start". See how I did the buttons on
applet.
Finally, I don't really see what is 4D or 5D about those choices
other than the fact that their graphs are similar to hypercube
edges. It seems to me that all graphs from 3D on up are all really
just 3D since there is room enough in R3 to embed any graph. Maybe
in 3D the men should be able to roam around 2D surfaces instead of
1D lines, etc.? Regardless, I think that your 3D version may be more
fun than the original 2D so I encourage you to continue polishing
it. The next thing I would love to see would be sound effects.
Nice job!
-Melinda
On 12/29/2010 9:33 AM, Andrey wrote:
Melinda,
please try new version. It is in the same place: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/4D_Cubing/files/MC7D/pacman5d.zip
I hope that the bug is fixed. Sometimes I see "program is stopped" dialog when close the program, but during the game everything looks ok.
Andrey
--- In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green <melinda@...> wrote:
It sounds like a great idea but the program doesn't work for me. :-(
It just opens a window with some controls on the right and blank in the
middle and is completely unresponsive. I figured out that it was
unresponsive because it had created a modal error dialog saying simply
"Error in the application" but that dialog was behind the main window
which couldn't even be moved out of the way. Once I brought that dialog
to the front and clicked "OK", part of the main screen showed half of a
3D scene in the top half but nothing in the lower part. The buttons and
menu items are now clickable but no inputs seem to do anything to the 3D
portion. What I could understand from the partial view I saw makes me
think that it could be fun, but that's as much as I could experience.
-Melinda
On 12/28/2010 6:39 AM, Andrey wrote:
Enjoy:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/4D_Cubing/files/MC7D/pacman5d.zip
Now there is only one stage for each dimension (from 3D to 5D), but stage description is simple enough.
Couple of hints:
- pacman tries to go "deep" - in the direction Z closest to the perpendicular to screen.
- left-click pauses game. During pause you can reorient the field.
- left-drag rotates 3D space
- right-drag rotates "color" space (Z-R-G). It's difficult to use, I use it only when image is too flat.
- right-click switches bases between XYZ and RGZ. Strange option, but very useful in manipulations.
Andrey
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> > Well, I was actually planning on doing 8 dimensions, first. Although, I=
DO need to figure out how to perspective project it.
> >
>=20
> I don't see good projection for 8D. 9D looks much better
>
Well, maybe fractal unfolding of dimensions could be used, like with your 7=
D cube, to project it down to 4D, and then use the already functioning code=
to project that down to 3D, then let OpenGL, deal with the rest! :D
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Wow! 10x10 blindfolded sounds tough! Seems like the hardest part would be
to locate all the center pieces blind!
Another member here also solved the 2^4 blindfolded:
https://youtu.be/UbLPxuSDRk8
Good luck!
Ty
On Tue, May 8, 2018, 12:43 PM enochgray@yahoo.com [4D_Cubing] <
4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, I recently solved the 3x3x3x3 for the first time, and was invited to
> this group.
>
>
> My name is Enoch Gray, and I have been solving twisty puzzles since 2011.
> I found a Rubik's Cube at my Grandma's house, and used Google to learn ho=
w
> to solve it. I have been hooked ever since. Nowadays, I primarily do
> blindfolded solving. I recently accomplished the goal of solving a 10x10x=
10
> blindfolded.
>
>
> I had seen the 4 dimensional cubes before, but never really looked into
> them. Recently, I stumbled across the topic again, and decided to give it=
a
> shot. I learned basic concepts from Mathologer's video on YouTube and was
> able to solve it from there! Now my next goal is to blindsolve the 2x2x2x=
2.
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for creating a community around 4 dimensional puzzles!
> I'm excited to get more into it.
>
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Wow! 10x10 blindfolded sounds tough! Seems like the hardest part would be t=
o locate all the center pieces blind!