Thread: "Waiting for 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge"

From: thesamer <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:03:59 +0200
Subject: Waiting for 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge



Hi!

During waiting for the contest I'll just sumarize:

Participants Time zone Program Previous Best record
1 Andrey Astrelin (UTC+04:00) MC7D 17:19.296 15:50.406
2 Remigiusz Durka (UTC+02:00) MC4D old 18:27.xxx 17:43.829
3 Matthew Sheerin (UTC+01:00) MC7D 25:28.989 22:05.092
4 Raymond Zhao (UTC-05:00) MC4D new sub 30 sub 30
5 Mateusz Burnicki (UTC+02:00) MC4D old sub 33 sub 33

Offical host Time Date puzzle, macros,
program, time limit
Melinda Green 18:00 UTC 18th October 2010 3^4, any prepared
macros, MC4D & MC7D, 3h

Communicator Name
Yahoo! IM (add: cutelyaware) 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge


Everybody made huge improvements. 9 days ago Andrey had '42 minutes',
and Mattew 35 minutes. Look at the times now! Andrey's times are crazy.
I'm starting considering trying his program :P

Allowing different programs is making things a little bit hard to
compare. MC4D could be better adapted to speedsolving. In new program
the reference sticers can't be on one face(I think I'm using macros 70
times during one solve, so it's a lot of work: about 200 stickers
clicked in a right order). That's why I use old version and have 3
reference stickers in one of the faces (less work). There is shortcut
for last macro applied (Ctr+A) but there is not for the reverse of the
last macro: which would help significantly! I don't think that should be
a problem to implement thing like this?
The best thing would be assigning macros to the shortcuts like: Ctr+1
for the first macro on the list, Ctr+2 for the second, ..., etc.

Best regards,
Remi

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From: Roice Nelson <roice3@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:42:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Waiting for 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge



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Wow, you guys are all fast!

> Allowing different programs is making things a little bit hard to
> compare. MC4D could be better adapted to speedsolving. In new program
> the reference sticers can't be on one face(I think I'm using macros 70
> times during one solve, so it's a lot of work: about 200 stickers
> clicked in a right order).


Remi, the new program allows reference stickers to all be on one face,
though it does disallow certain configurations. For example, you can't pick
3 collinear reference stickers (since that doesn't determine a unique puzzle
orientation). Did you mean to say "the reference stickers can't be on one
sticker?", because that is true in the new version.


> That's why I use old version and have 3
> reference stickers in one of the faces (less work).
>
Did you guys practice with both versions last week? (I just wanted to check
because the file formats are different, so it could be a problem this
Saturday if you want to use the old program).

Roice

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From: thesamer <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:31:00 +0200
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Waiting for 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge



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W dniu 2010-09-15 16:42, Roice Nelson pisze:
> Wow, you guys are all fast!
You should give a try. After 10th solve for sure you will break 25 min
:-). At least consider taking part in contest without macros someday in
the future.
>
> Allowing different programs is making things a little bit hard to
> compare. MC4D could be better adapted to speedsolving. In new program
> the reference sticers can't be on one face(I think I'm using macros 70
> times during one solve, so it's a lot of work: about 200 stickers
> clicked in a right order).
>
> Remi, the new program allows reference stickers to all be on one face,
> though it does disallow certain configurations. For example, you
> can't pick 3 collinear reference stickers (since that doesn't
> determine a unique puzzle orientation). Did you mean to say "the
> reference stickers can't be on one sticker?", because that is true in
> the new version.
My standard clicks are 24,27,27
(http://www.superliminal.com/cube/solution/images/Hypercube_2.gif).
You are right! Some time ago I've checked few combination (the most
ergonomic ones). Unfortunately all combination I've check were
restricted (double clicks, linear). I didn't know that combination
15,24,27 was ok. Thanks, but anyway now I don't have time to translate
all macros, and get use to new reference clicks and having list of
macros on the left. I will try next time.

Is it possible to have in new version on MC4D the hotkey: Ctr+W for
reverse of the last macro? Or 'Ctr+1' signed to first macro on the list,
'Ctr+2', for the second, up to 9th macro ?
>
> That's why I use old version and have 3
> reference stickers in one of the faces (less work).
>
> Did you guys practice with both versions last week? (I just wanted to
> check because the file formats are different, so it could be a problem
> this Saturday if you want to use the old program).
Let's say it was quite limited check, but we all are aware of that
problem. I hope that Melinda will be prepared with URL like this:
http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~rdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/
and
everything will be perfect. Directory up there is version me and Mateusz
will be using.

Remi

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W dniu 2010-09-15 16:42, Roice Nelson pisze:
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Wow, you guys are all fast!






You should give a try. After 10th solve for sure you will break 25
min :-). At least consider taking part in contest without macros
someday in the future.

cite="mid:AANLkTi=nDSZfD6cbNpQodwePUwphowEpHS2=GV+jvm+x@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">




 Allowing different programs
is making things a little bit hard to

compare. MC4D could be better adapted to speedsolving.
In new program

the reference sticers can't be on one face(I think I'm
using macros 70

times during one solve, so it's a lot of work: about 200
stickers

clicked in a right order).

 

Remi, the new program allows reference stickers to
all be on one face, though it does disallow certain
configurations.  For example, you can't pick 3 collinear
reference stickers (since that doesn't determine a
unique puzzle orientation).  Did you mean to say "the
reference stickers can't be on one sticker?", because
that is true in the new version.






My standard clicks are 24,27,27
(http://www.superliminal.com/cube/solution/images/Hypercube_2.gif).


You are right! Some time ago I've checked few combination (the most
ergonomic ones). Unfortunately all combination I've check were
restricted (double clicks, linear). I didn't know that combination
15,24,27 was ok. Thanks, but anyway now I don't have time to
translate all macros, and get use to new reference clicks and having
list of macros on the left. I will try next time.



Is it possible to have in new version on MC4D the hotkey: Ctr+W for
reverse of the last macro? Or 'Ctr+1' signed to first macro on the
list, 'Ctr+2', for the second, up to 9th macro ?

cite="mid:AANLkTi=nDSZfD6cbNpQodwePUwphowEpHS2=GV+jvm+x@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">




 

That's why I use old version
and have 3

reference stickers in one of the faces (less work).


Did you guys practice with both versions last week? 
(I just wanted to check because the file formats are
different, so it could be a problem this Saturday if you
want to use the old program).






Let's say it was quite limited check, but we all are aware of that
problem. I hope that Melinda will be prepared with URL like this:

href="http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/%7Erdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/">http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~rdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/
and everything will be perfect. Directory up there is version me and
Mateusz will be using.



Remi





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From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:19:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Waiting for 1st Hyperspeedcubing Challenge



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On 9/15/2010 8:31 AM, thesamer wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Is it possible to have in new version on MC4D the hotkey: Ctr+W for
> reverse of the last macro? Or 'Ctr+1' signed to first macro on the
> list, 'Ctr+2', for the second, up to 9th macro ?

Those sound like excellent suggestions, Remi. Would you please add them
to the issue tracker?


>> That's why I use old version and have 3
>> reference stickers in one of the faces (less work).
>>
>> Did you guys practice with both versions last week? (I just wanted
>> to check because the file formats are different, so it could be a
>> problem this Saturday if you want to use the old program).
> Let's say it was quite limited check, but we all are aware of that
> problem. I hope that Melinda will be prepared with URL like this:
> http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~rdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/
> and
> everything will be perfect. Directory up there is version me and
> Mateusz will be using.

I could do that but the files would have different scrambles. Ideally
everyone would start with the same state. Actually, since Andrey added
the ability to import the new MC4D format we'd only need two. I'll be
happy to provide an old and new scramble if nobody objects and if
someone sends me the last MC4D version 3 binary since I don't seem to
have kept one. :-)

-Melinda

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Is it possible to have in new version on MC4D the hotkey: Ctr+W
for reverse of the last macro? Or 'Ctr+1' signed to first macro on
the list, 'Ctr+2', for the second, up to 9th macro ?




Those sound like excellent suggestions, Remi. Would you please add
them to the issue tracker?






cite="mid:AANLkTi=nDSZfD6cbNpQodwePUwphowEpHS2=GV+jvm+x@mail.gmail.com"
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That's why I use old
version and have 3

reference stickers in one of the faces (less work).


Did you guys practice with both versions last
week?  (I just wanted to check because the file
formats are different, so it could be a problem this
Saturday if you want to use the old program).






Let's say it was quite limited check, but we all are aware of that
problem. I hope that Melinda will be prepared with URL like this:

href="http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/%7Erdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/">http://www.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~rdurka/rubik/challenge/trash/
and everything will be perfect. Directory up there is version me
and Mateusz will be using.


I could do that but the files would have different scrambles.
Ideally everyone would start with the same state. Actually, since
Andrey added the ability to import the new MC4D format we'd only
need two. I'll be happy to provide an old and new scramble if nobody
objects and if someone sends me the last MC4D version 3 binary since
I don't seem to have kept one.  :-)



-Melinda




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