Thread: "If you thought Levi was insane ..."

Hey guys,
If you thought Levi was insane solving the 6^5, I wonder what you =
will think of me having just finished the 7^5. That's right, for some reas=
on I started it near the end of May this year, and finished yesterday yeste=
rday on Friday 13th. I think Levi certainly wins on speed, maybe partially=
because I never managed to average even close to 6 hours a day, but I took=
293280 twists as opposed to his >1.9 million. And luckily I'm not superst=
itious or I would have had to have waited another day to finish it! So at =
last, the highest peak has been conquered.

In his reply to my log file, Roice asked about my mood throughout the solve=
. Upon scrambling my first impression was, understandably, fear. Several =
times during the solve when I was faced with a new section of randomly dist=
ributed blobs across the screen the view was terrifying. Sometimes it just=
became a little tedious (13672 moveable pieces can have that effect). But=
now and then it was rather fun and interesting when I had to think myself =
out of a new and mind-bending predicament. I had a bit of a scare near the=
end of solving the 3C pieces, when I seemed to have 1 piece left which had=
2 stickers swapped, which I didn't think could be solved on its own. Than=
kfully I managed to find another of the same type of piece which wasn't sol=
ved correctly earlier in the step and I could solve both simultaneously.

He also asked how the program might be changed to help with the solve. I h=
ave to say that, for the most part, I found the software to be really usefu=
l, but there are a few things which were troublesome. One of the main prob=
lems was with the piece finding capability. While it is staggeringly usefu=
l for solving, it distinguishes pieces only by colour, and no further disti=
nction is made between various types of pieces with the same colour combina=
tion. This isn't a problem with the 3^5 as every piece has a unique combin=
ation, but where the larger cubes are concerned it can make things a little=
difficult. For the 1C pieces (maybe I should mention that my method was r=
eduction, unlike Levi using cage), I could work around this problem. I use=
d the capability to choose face colours to make the face I was working on y=
ellow, solved faces white, and everything else grey, combined with only sho=
wing 1C pieces. Rather than having a mass of 625 pieces strewn across the =
screen (I have an interesting screenshot of this, its stunning and also pre=
tty damn scary, I can upload it if anyone is curious) I could only see piec=
es I needed in the faces i was looking at. However, this wouldn't work for=
the other pieces, and this was particularly annoying for the 2C pieces due=
to number (250 pieces visible is not very useful).

Another problem was (for me, I don't know if everyone has this problem) a g=
litchy macros feature. It worked fine usually and was invaluable, but had =
one predictable glitch, and one bizarre one, which I will leave as an open =
problem for the community to try and figure out. First, I had to close the=
program shortly after recording a macro I intended for long-term use, othe=
rwise it would disappear. The second had a long story. When recording mac=
ros for matching up 4C pieces I used a commutator withing a commutator (I t=
hink it was actually 3 comms.) So I used a macro which affected only 4C pi=
eces (X), moved a few things around (Y), then the usual X'Y', only to find =
it affected 3C pieces too. I changed the macro which affected only the 4C =
pieces to one which had the EXACT same effect, and it worked perfectly. Do=
es anyone know what's going on here? I'm sure I tried the first several ti=
mes with the same effect.

Now that I've finished solving Everest (I actually named the folder with my=
log file 'everest'), I can sit back and enjoy the weird and wonderful new =
puzzles in 4D, which you now know why I didn't have enough time to play wit=
h before! They look like a lot of fun :)

Since I seem to have written a short novel here, I guess I should finish up=
. I would like to say a huge thank you to those involved in programming al=
l these puzzles, and making them freely available to everyone. Melinda, Do=
n, Roice and Jay (I think that's everyone, apologies for anyone left out), =
you are amazing people for bringing these to life. They have given me, and=
many others, hours upon hours of enjoyment and I'm sure we all appreciate =
the effort you have all put in on our behalf. You have also rendered my us=
ual sign-off line 'happy hypercubing' useless in the best way possible by m=
aking hyper-non-cubes available.

Happy polytoping everyone ;)
Matt

P.S. Hi Klaus, as last time I will have a look at your parity problem and =
see if I can help any, but it will wait until morning :) Also well done to=
Remi for staying true to form and beating my 2^4 record by 1 move exactly.=
Good work!

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Hey guys,

If you thought Levi was insane solving the 6^5, I wonder what you =
will think of me having just finished the 7^5. That's right, for some reas=
on I started it near the end of May this year, and finished yesterday yeste=
rday on Friday 13th. I think Levi certainly wins on speed, maybe partially=
because I never managed to average even close to 6 hours a day, but I took=
293280 twists as opposed to his >1.9 million. And luckily I'm not superst=
itious or I would have had to have waited another day to finish it! So at =
last, the highest peak has been conquered.



In his reply to my log file, Roice asked about my mood throughout the solve=
. Upon scrambling my first impression was, understandably, fear. Several =
times during the solve when I was faced with a new section of randomly dist=
ributed blobs across the screen the view was terrifying. Sometimes it just=
became a little tedious (13672 moveable pieces can have that effect). But=
now and then it was rather fun and interesting when I had to think myself =
out of a new and mind-bending predicament. I had a bit of a scare near the=
end of solving the 3C pieces, when I seemed to have 1 piece left which had=
2 stickers swapped, which I didn't think could be solved on its own. Than=
kfully I managed to find another of the same type of piece which wasn't sol=
ved correctly earlier in the step and I could solve both simultaneously.



He also asked how the program might be changed to help with the solve. I h=
ave to say that, for the most part, I found the software to be really usefu=
l, but there are a few things which were troublesome. One of the main prob=
lems was with the piece finding capability. While it is staggeringly usefu=
l for solving, it distinguishes pieces only by colour, and no further disti=
nction is made between various types of pieces with the same colour combina=
tion. This isn't a problem with the 3^5 as every piece has a unique combin=
ation, but where the larger cubes are concerned it can make things a little=
difficult. For the 1C pieces (maybe I should mention that my method was r=
eduction, unlike Levi using cage), I could work around this problem. I use=
d the capability to choose face colours to make the face I was working on y=
ellow, solved faces white, and everything else grey, combined with only sho=
wing 1C pieces. Rather than having a mass of 625 pieces strewn
across the screen (I have an interesting screenshot of this, its stunning =
and also pretty damn scary, I can upload it if anyone is curious) I could o=
nly see pieces I needed in the faces i was looking at. However, this would=
n't work for the other pieces, and this was particularly annoying for the 2=
C pieces due to number (250 pieces visible is not very useful).



Another problem was (for me, I don't know if everyone has this problem) a g=
litchy macros feature. It worked fine usually and was invaluable, but had =
one predictable glitch, and one bizarre one, which I will leave as an open =
problem for the community to try and figure out. First, I had to close the=
program shortly after recording a macro I intended for long-term use, othe=
rwise it would disappear. The second had a long story. When recording mac=
ros for matching up 4C pieces I used a commutator withing a commutator (I t=
hink it was actually 3 comms.) So I used a macro which affected only 4C pi=
eces (X), moved a few things around (Y), then the usual X'Y', only to find =
it affected 3C pieces too. I changed the macro which affected only the 4C =
pieces to one which had the EXACT same effect, and it worked perfectly. Do=
es anyone know what's going on here? I'm sure I tried the first several ti=
mes with the same effect.



Now that I've finished solving Everest (I actually named the folder with my=
log file 'everest'), I can sit back and enjoy the weird and wonderful new =
puzzles in 4D, which you now know why I didn't have enough time to play wit=
h before! They look like a lot of fun :)



Since I seem to have written a short novel here, I guess I should finish up=
. I would like to say a huge thank you to those involved in programming al=
l these puzzles, and making them freely available to everyone. Melinda, Do=
n, Roice and Jay (I think that's everyone, apologies for anyone left out), =
you are amazing people for bringing these to life. They have given me, and=
many others, hours upon hours of enjoyment and I'm sure we all appreciate =
the effort you have all put in on our behalf. You have also rendered my us=
ual sign-off line 'happy hypercubing' useless in the best way possible by m=
aking hyper-non-cubes available.



Happy polytoping everyone ;)

Matt



P.S. Hi Klaus, as last time I will have a look at your parity problem and =
see if I can help any, but it will wait until morning :) Also well done to=
Remi for staying true to form and beating my 2^4 record by 1 move exactly.=
Good work!





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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Congratulations, that's incredible!  I d= on't think you're insane at all, considering that I have possibly spent as = much time and energy on my own projects and consider myself sane. :) >That macro problem sounds very strange, the only way I can think that coul= d occur in the program is the insertion, deletion, or transformation of a m= ove somewhere in the macro.  Given that there was the other problem wi= th the macros, there might be a very elusive bug somewhere in the program. = (I say elusive because I believe Roice has considered MC5D complete, and I = know he is a very talented programmer and dedicated to perfecting his work = before calling it finished.  Given that the program is a 5-dimensional= Rubik's Cube, its complexity could certainly be hiding some bugs.) = Regarding the 3C pieces, a position could occur with all of them solved exc= ept for a single piece which has two stickers swapped.  However, the flip= ped piece can only be in a particular subset of the 3C pieces, and this sit= uation cannot occur with the 2C pieces already solved. Again, congra= tulations on this monumental achievement!  I think we are all impresse= d to see this unsolved puzzle finally be conquered.  Roice must be esp= ecially pleased to see that his program has, through your hard work and ded= ication, proven to be solvable for all sizes (and enjoyed) by a single pers= on.  By the way, your solution is made even more incredible by only co= ntaining 293280 twists.  Well done! -David --- On Sat= , 11/14/09, matthewsheerin <damienturtle@hotmail.co.uk> wr= ote: n-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> From: matthewsheerin <damienturtle@= hotmail.co.uk> Subject: [MC4D] If you thought Levi was insane ... To: 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009,= 7:07 PM   =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hey guys, If you thought Levi was insane solving the 6^5, I wonder what you = will think of me having just finished the 7^5. That's right, for some reas= on I started it near the end of May this year, and finished yesterday yeste= rday on Friday 13th. I think Levi certainly wins on speed, maybe partially= because I never managed to average even close to 6 hours a day, but I took= 293280 twists as opposed to his >1.9 million. And luckily I'm not supe= rstitious or I would have had to have waited another day to finish it! So = at last, the highest peak has been conquered. In his reply to my log file, Roice asked about my mood throughout the solve= . Upon scrambling my first impression was, understandably, fear. Several = times during the solve when I was faced with a new section of randomly dist= ributed blobs across the screen the view was terrifying. Sometimes it just= became a little tedious (13672 moveable pieces can have that effect). But= now and then it was rather fun and interesting when I had to think myself = out of a new and mind-bending predicament. I had a bit of a scare near the= end of solving the 3C pieces, when I seemed to have 1 piece left which had= 2 stickers swapped, which I didn't think could be solved on its own. Than= kfully I managed to find another of the same type of piece which wasn't sol= ved correctly earlier in the step and I could solve both simultaneously.> He also asked how the program might be changed to help with the solve. I h= ave to say that, for the most part, I found the software to be really usefu= l, but there are a few things which were troublesome. One of the main prob= lems was with the piece finding capability. While it is staggeringly usefu= l for solving, it distinguishes pieces only by colour, and no further disti= nction is made between various types of pieces with the same colour combina= tion. This isn't a problem with the 3^5 as every piece has a unique combin= ation, but where the larger cubes are concerned it can make things a little= difficult. For the 1C pieces (maybe I should mention that my method was r= eduction, unlike Levi using cage), I could work around this problem. I use= d the capability to choose face colours to make the face I was working on y= ellow, solved faces white, and everything else grey, combined with only sho= wing 1C pieces. Rather than having a mass of 625 pieces strewn across the screen (I have an interesting screenshot of this, its stunning = and also pretty damn scary, I can upload it if anyone is curious) I could o= nly see pieces I needed in the faces i was looking at. However, this would= n't work for the other pieces, and this was particularly annoying for the 2= C pieces due to number (250 pieces visible is not very useful). Another problem was (for me, I don't know if everyone has this problem) a g= litchy macros feature. It worked fine usually and was invaluable, but had = one predictable glitch, and one bizarre one, which I will leave as an open = problem for the community to try and figure out. First, I had to close the= program shortly after recording a macro I intended for long-term use, othe= rwise it would disappear. The second had a long story. When recording mac= ros for matching up 4C pieces I used a commutator withing a commutator (I t= hink it was actually 3 comms.) So I used a macro which affected only 4C pi= eces (X), moved a few things around (Y), then the usual X'Y', only to find = it affected 3C pieces too. I changed the macro which affected only the 4C = pieces to one which had the EXACT same effect, and it worked perfectly. Do= es anyone know what's going on here? I'm sure I tried the first several ti= mes with the same effect. Now that I've finished solving Everest (I actually named the folder with my= log file 'everest'), I can sit back and enjoy the weird and wonderful new = puzzles in 4D, which you now know why I didn't have enough time to play wit= h before! They look like a lot of fun :) Since I seem to have written a short novel here, I guess I should finish up= . I would like to say a huge thank you to those involved in programming al= l these puzzles, and making them freely available to everyone. Melinda, Do= n, Roice and Jay (I think that's everyone, apologies for anyone left out), = you are amazing people for bringing these to life. They have given me, and= many others, hours upon hours of enjoyment and I'm sure we all appreciate = the effort you have all put in on our behalf. You have also rendered my us= ual sign-off line 'happy hypercubing' useless in the best way possible by m= aking hyper-non-cubes available. Happy polytoping everyone ;) Matt P.S. Hi Klaus, as last time I will have a look at your parity problem and = see if I can help any, but it will wait until morning :) Also well done to= Remi for staying true to form and beating my 2^4 record by 1 move exactly.= Good work! =20=20=20=20=20 =20

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Well done, Matt!!

Thanks for the great story. Length is not a problem as it's easy enough
for anyone to delete messages they're not interested in. Besides,
something tells me that nobody deleted yours before reading it in it's
entirety. Most of us know that we're never going to tackle a puzzle that
challenging, but we can all appreciate what it requires, and so it's
great to be able to live it through you in a tiny way. Thank you for
sharing the story.

I found it interesting to hear you switch from talking about the 7^5 to
the 2^4. Their scales are so extremely different that I can only imagine
that at this point the 2^4 must look like a toy. I half expect you to be
able to simply look at a scrambled 2^4 and to *see* the shortest path to
its solution!

I hope that you will enjoy solving some of the beautiful new puzzles
that Don has given us. I hope to see your name all over the records
page. In fact I'm going to propose that we create one special
meta-record for the person who currently holds the most records! Right
now that prize goes to Remi. Let's see how long he can hold it! :-)

Congratulations again on your amazing accomplishment, Matt. I don't know
if I'm more impressed or horrified that someone would actually do this,
but I think I'll just sit quietly in amazement and enjoy the fact that
this shining peak has been summited.

-Melinda

Hello,

Matthew:

we are not insane but if one plays with puzzles having way more
configurations that atoms in the Universe (10^80) is not normal either.
:-) Something terribly went wrong with evolution if people can do that
(remembering that it was all about survival in 3D bushes :)

Result under 300 000 on such monster is truly unquestionably amazingly
efficient! Huge congratulations and respect, Matthew! Coming from
highlands of 5D surely will give you huge boost in 4D. I remember
looking on 2^4 after solving 5^4 and it seemed, as Melinda mentioned,
that I could solve this with my eyes closed. New program offers new
spectrum of moves on 2^4 so good luck with new record. I think it is now
possible to get sub60 twists (or even 50 twists if one is lucky). But I
really recommend new puzzles: 4D pyramid, prisms, ect. There is still
plenty records to gain for everybody :-)

Klauss:
- it is not what you wanted but still it can be helpful to construct
solution to your problem:
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MagicCube4D 3 0 6 {4,3,3} 3
0.036994469250059066 -0.07538850022451551 -0.23668017109024864
-0.9679516929534734
0.07714795153098913 0.7788631783066837 0.5888457470532142
-0.20169538723016242
-0.7741212066013144 0.4349869098281526 -0.4573655612014547
0.04836826640637566
-0.6272287942287117 -0.4455054565210889 0.6229445611103055
-0.14159449736279095
*
131,-1,2 160,-1,1 160,-1,1 131,1,2 160,1,1 160,1,1.
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Good luck with another try on 3^4 (I've broke Roice previous record
after third serious try (starting from circa 500, going to 400 something
and making 333 at the end with huge amount of effort), so you are on
good way and everything before you). Cutting another hundred twists from
solution will make you REALLY appreciate Roice solution, because no
matter what you do it seem that there is nothing to cut from solution
and still you are so far.

Roice, I always wonder why you won't try 2^4 and other shortest
(especially now when there is plenty "smaller" puzzles)? :-)


Best,
Remi


matthewsheerin pisze:
>
> Hey guys,
> If you thought Levi was insane solving the 6^5, I wonder what you will
> think of me having just finished the 7^5. That's right, for some
> reason I started it near the end of May this year, and finished
> yesterday yesterday on Friday 13th. I think Levi certainly wins on
> speed, maybe partially because I never managed to average even close
> to 6 hours a day, but I took 293280 twists as opposed to his >1.9
> million. And luckily I'm not superstitious or I would have had to have
> waited another day to finish it! So at last, the highest peak has been
> conquered.
>
> In his reply to my log file, Roice asked about my mood throughout the
> solve. Upon scrambling my first impression was, understandably, fear.
> Several times during the solve when I was faced with a new section of
> randomly distributed blobs across the screen the view was terrifying.
> Sometimes it just became a little tedious (13672 moveable pieces can
> have that effect). But now and then it was rather fun and interesting
> when I had to think myself out of a new and mind-bending predicament.
> I had a bit of a scare near the end of solving the 3C pieces, when I
> seemed to have 1 piece left which had 2 stickers swapped, which I
> didn't think could be solved on its own. Thankfully I managed to find
> another of the same type of piece which wasn't solved correctly
> earlier in the step and I could solve both simultaneously.
>
> He also asked how the program might be changed to help with the solve.
> I have to say that, for the most part, I found the software to be
> really useful, but there are a few things which were troublesome. One
> of the main problems was with the piece finding capability. While it
> is staggeringly useful for solving, it distinguishes pieces only by
> colour, and no further distinction is made between various types of
> pieces with the same colour combination. This isn't a problem with the
> 3^5 as every piece has a unique combination, but where the larger
> cubes are concerned it can make things a little difficult. For the 1C
> pieces (maybe I should mention that my method was reduction, unlike
> Levi using cage), I could work around this problem. I used the
> capability to choose face colours to make the face I was working on
> yellow, solved faces white, and everything else grey, combined with
> only showing 1C pieces. Rather than having a mass of 625 pieces strewn
> across the screen (I have an interesting screenshot of this, its
> stunning and also pretty damn scary, I can upload it if anyone is
> curious) I could only see pieces I needed in the faces i was looking
> at. However, this wouldn't work for the other pieces, and this was
> particularly annoying for the 2C pieces due to number (250 pieces
> visible is not very useful).
>
> Another problem was (for me, I don't know if everyone has this
> problem) a glitchy macros feature. It worked fine usually and was
> invaluable, but had one predictable glitch, and one bizarre one, which
> I will leave as an open problem for the community to try and figure
> out. First, I had to close the program shortly after recording a macro
> I intended for long-term use, otherwise it would disappear. The second
> had a long story. When recording macros for matching up 4C pieces I
> used a commutator withing a commutator (I think it was actually 3
> comms.) So I used a macro which affected only 4C pieces (X), moved a
> few things around (Y), then the usual X'Y', only to find it affected
> 3C pieces too. I changed the macro which affected only the 4C pieces
> to one which had the EXACT same effect, and it worked perfectly. Does
> anyone know what's going on here? I'm sure I tried the first several
> times with the same effect.
>
> Now that I've finished solving Everest (I actually named the folder
> with my log file 'everest'), I can sit back and enjoy the weird and
> wonderful new puzzles in 4D, which you now know why I didn't have
> enough time to play with before! They look like a lot of fun :)
>
> Since I seem to have written a short novel here, I guess I should
> finish up. I would like to say a huge thank you to those involved in
> programming all these puzzles, and making them freely available to
> everyone. Melinda, Don, Roice and Jay (I think that's everyone,
> apologies for anyone left out), you are amazing people for bringing
> these to life. They have given me, and many others, hours upon hours
> of enjoyment and I'm sure we all appreciate the effort you have all
> put in on our behalf. You have also rendered my usual sign-off line
> 'happy hypercubing' useless in the best way possible by making
> hyper-non-cubes available.
>
> Happy polytoping everyone ;)
> Matt
>
> P.S. Hi Klaus, as last time I will have a look at your parity problem
> and see if I can help any, but it will wait until morning :) Also well
> done to Remi for staying true to form and beating my 2^4 record by 1
> move exactly. Good work!
>
>


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Tha month is missing!

Anyway, congratulate... for your insanity! ;)

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Friday the 13th, 2009

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Tha month is missing!

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