Thread: "New Records"

From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:14:24 -0700
Subject: New Records



Noel C wrote:
> Hey there,
>
>
> Hello once again. Well, what can I say? Here I thought I was done with
> these cubes but a bit of inspiration I got at work got me back in
> front of the computer. My idea was to solve the first 3/4 of the 3^4
> using an expanded Petrus method solution, this way I can get to the
> last colour in about 300 moves. Because of this I can shave off a ton
> of moves on my solutions. With that, attached are my revised solutions
> to the 4^4 and 5^4 which will be the new records! YAY! If only I could
> learn Roice's solution i could shave another 400 moves off....
> Anyway, Thanks again and I'm sure you guys will hear from me again.
> I wonder what Remi will say when he finds out I broke the 3500
> barrier? lol
>
> Noel Chalmers

I guess he was too shy to post his own announcement of *two* significant
achievements, so I'll do it for him. As you will see in the
hall-of-fame, Noel now holds the records for half of the shortest
records. His new 4^4 solution shaves 334 twists off of Remi's record
that has stood for nearly a year, and his new 5^4 solution shaves
exactly 600 twists off his previous record from only days earlier. I'm
curious as well to hear what Remi will say when he learns that the 3,500
twist "barrier" that he thought would never be broken has lasted almost
no time at all. Do I hear anyone saying "3,000 twist barrier"?

-Melinda




From: "Remigiusz Durka" <thesamer@interia.pl>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:38:03 +0200
Subject: Re: [MC4D] New Records



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Subject: [MC4D] New Records


Noel C wrote:
> Hey there,
> Anyway, Thanks again and I'm sure you guys will hear from me again.
> I wonder what Remi will say when he finds out I broke the 3500=20
> barrier? lol
>
> Noel Chalmers

I'm curious as well to hear what Remi will say when he learns that the 3,50=
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twist "barrier" that he thought would never be broken has lasted almost=20
no time at all. Do I hear anyone saying "3,000 twist barrier"?

-Melinda

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and Remi says:

Congratulations! I'm amazed! (I'm sad too because my beloved records are go=
ne ;-| Lucky for me there are some my records left ;)=20

For example:

136 twists in 2^4 (there's no way to break 100!!! Yeaaah, my another opinio=
n but try this... Hmmm or maybe NOT ;-))))))))))))))

fastest solution 3^4 -> 19min 33,02s



Noel what metod do you use? (Lars Petrus 4D? ;) I've tried to implement Fri=
drich system but I failed and I'm only basing on Roice solution...

(I've solved 2^4 using something diffrent - I wrote about this when I annou=
ced shortest solution on 2^4)

I won't touch 5^4... FOR LONG YEARS. But I think I will try to get back 4^4=
. First I want to end 2^5...(I'm again totaly lost. 5C pieces are insane!)

(I'm trying to do this using my algs...but it's hard to handle piece with 5=
colours...)

I have so many things to do now.... I'm going to study in Amsterdam in coup=
le weeks. I must write my master thesis. And of coure I must sleep, live...




Welcome Noel on 4D board. Now 5D or do you want to get all the records from=
Hall of Fame and next do the same with Hall of Insanity? ;-)))))))))))))))

>Remigiusz




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----- Original Message -----
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To: MagicCube4D
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[MC4D] New Records


Noel C wrote:
> Hey there,
> Anyw=
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Thanks again and I'm sure you guys will hear from me again.
> I wonde=
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what Remi will say when he finds out I broke the 3500
> barrier?=20
lol
>
> Noel Chalmers

I'm curious as well to hear what R=
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"3,000 twist barrier"?

-Melinda

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and Remi says:

 

Congratulations! I'm amazed! (I'm sad=
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because my beloved records are gone ;-| Lucky for me there are some my=
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records left ;) 

 

For example:

 

136 twists in 2^4 (there's no way to =
break=20
100!!! Yeaaah, my another opinion but try this... Hmmm or maybe NOT=20
;-))))))))))))))

 

fastest solution 3^4  -> 19min=20
33,02s

 

 

 

Noel what metod do you use? (Lars Petrus 4=
D? ;)=20
I've tried to implement Fridrich system but I failed and I'm only basing on=
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Roice solution...

 

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end 2^5...(I'm again totaly lost. 5C pieces are insane!)

 

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of coure I must sleep, live...

 

 

 

 

Welcome Noel on 4D board. Now 5D or do you=
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get all the records from Hall of Fame and next do the same with Hall of=20
Insanity? ;-)))))))))))))))

 

>Remigiusz

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From: "dv8_rs" <dv8_rs@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:05:29 -0000
Subject: Re: [MC4D] New Records



Hey Guys!

It's me Noel, the newcomer. Cooool, my first post! But holy crap you
guys have alot of questions I should answer.

First things first, I'm sorry for the mistake in the local paper about
the 5D cube. We only gave the reporter the link to the 4D site and I
guess he just assumed that noone had solved the 5D yet. Sorry! That
whole article thing wasn't even my idea, but what are you gonna do? (I
prefer not to get the attention :)) How did you find out about the
article anyways?

Remi: > Noel what metod do you use? (Lars Petrus 4D? ;) I've tried to
implement Fridrich system but I failed and I'm only basing on Roice
solution...

Well I owe it to Remi to explain the method behind my maddness. Yes,
it's true I use Lars Petrus' method for the 3^3 as a bases for the
3^4. After I learned Roice's solution, I found that the logic behind
it was choppy. Though it solved the cube, it wasn't very efficent(at
least not to me). The reason is that the very sequences are used at
the wrong times. I admit the there is a need for the sequences but
only for the last steps. Roice used he method to: break it then do something constructive, and put it back together> and
now repeat that line about 40 times ;). My method avoids doing that
until the last colour.
But that's just for the 3^4. For the larger cubes(or hypercubes), I
again expanded a method I already knew to the forth dimension. The
method I expanded is the one used by Frank Morris. I won't go into
detail about this though. :P

Hey, do you think we can name these methods after me? I don't think
anyone else has done them before, and it would be cool if I could say
that I developed unique solutions to these puzzles.

Well, if you guys have any more questions, just post!

Noel Chalmers







From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:46:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [MC4D] New Records



dv8_rs wrote:
> Hey Guys!
>
> It's me Noel, the newcomer. Cooool, my first post! But holy crap you
> guys have alot of questions I should answer.
>
> First things first, I'm sorry for the mistake in the local paper about
> the 5D cube. We only gave the reporter the link to the 4D site and I
> guess he just assumed that noone had solved the 5D yet. Sorry! That
> whole article thing wasn't even my idea, but what are you gonna do? (I
> prefer not to get the attention :)) How did you find out about the
> article anyways?
>

On a whim I searched Google News for "4D cube" and that was the only hit
that came back. It was just pure luck that I tried that right after the
article was published. BTW, I linked your name in the HOF to that
article. Let me know if you ever want to move that to a personal page or
something. I find it quite fitting though and I hope that you like it.

> [...]
>
> Hey, do you think we can name these methods after me? I don't think
> anyone else has done them before, and it would be cool if I could say
> that I developed unique solutions to these puzzles.
>

I don't see why not! I'm working on macro support for the Java version
now and you can name them anything you like and pass the macro files
around. For techniques beyond just macros, I guess that I would suggest
describing them here and calling them whatever suits you.

And good luck finishing the 5D cube!!
-Melinda





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